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Consider going carnivore, keto, low carb, or Mediterranean. Just wondering what everyone here thinks is best. I'm pretty sure the gigs carb foods like breads, pasta, sweets, etc are what cause massive inflammation, health issues, and make us fatter and dumber. I can't say for sure though.

What do you guys think. Is it worth it to completely cut out carbs? Are vegetables okay? Is something like a sweet potato okay? I've been reading a lot about health issues that going keto or carnivore fixed health issues with people who have seizures or arthritis or depression. But also natural weight loss and improved health all around and better energy and alertness.

I was considering eating meals like this:
Eggs, turkey bacon, cheese, bell pepper, grass fed butter

Chicken meatballs, cheese, pasta sauce, green beans

Ground beef with broccoli & sugar free BBQ sauce

Chicken wings or thighs and carrots

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20 comments:
WeedleTLiar on scored.co
23 hours ago 2 points (+0 / -0 / +2Score on mirror )
I eat a ton of carbs (homemade bread, pasta, cereal) and I'm pushing 50 with zero particular health problems (sometimes I get colds, but not much since Covid) and I'm well within optimal BMI.

But I also get a lot of exercise everyday.

Diet is important, but not the most important thing.
GoldenInnosStatue on scored.co
1 day ago 2 points (+0 / -0 / +2Score on mirror ) 1 child
somewhere between carnivore and Mediterranean (mostly lean meat and fish and a little carbs to keep you sated)

they eat plenty of fish which contained all the essentially omega fatty acids, they ate garlic which is useful to purge the body out of parasites, and olive oil (which also cleanses the body of parasites)

as for carbs... you can easily cut out wheat and replace it with mushrooms (plenty of protein and fiber which will keep you full for a long time)

my "Gamer meal" consists of either sliced chicken/turkey breast

or if i'm really frugal (and lazy), canned Tuna fillet

for flavorizers i use either tomatoe puree or pepper puree (think of Hungarian Leccho)

for fillers i use whole button mushrooms (canned) or Portobello mushrooms (fresh)

for soakers i use Korean Udon noodles (which are made with wheat and tapioca which is bombed with fiber) it soaks all the delicious olive oil and spices and it will keep you full

basically 4 ingredients which are all extremely affordable and highly malleable recipe wise
Cazarosta on scored.co
19 hours ago 0 points (+0 / -0 )
Is there a certain brand of the Korean udon noodles you use? And can you share any recipes or a staple that you use it with? I assume you do something like the noodles + tomato/pepper puree + mushrooms + olive oil/spices + an animal protein source as one of your staple meals?
OnceMore on scored.co
22 hours ago 2 points (+0 / -0 / +2Score on mirror ) 1 child
Ancestral eating. Anti-carb eating is retarded, people don't realize that the reason low carb diets help them is because it forces them to cut out a bunch of bullshit that was poisoning them. Certain high carb sources like potatoes, sweet potatoes and traditional breads are good for you. Just don't eat refined carbs. Natural carbs are fine.

All foods must be organic, all meats and dairy 100% grass fed and grass finished. Eggs must be pasture raised. It is expensive but you are eating real food, not poison.

Eat red meat, including organ meats, low amounts of liver weekly (don't want to poison yourself with Vitamin A), eat fish, tinned fish if you can't afford normal wild caught (sardine and mackerel) but realize you're getting some BPA with every can, mushrooms, kale and other leafy greens, broccoli, sprouts etc, fresh organic fruit several times daily (preferably the richer fruits like kiwi, plum, pomegranate, berries), plenty of dairy (don't drink milk within 2 hours of eating red meat or you're blocking your iron), eggs every day (all around healthy but specifically for choline), if you have the time make some home fermented foods like kefir, sourdough, natto (exceptionally health and exceptionally nasty), kombucha. Plenty of butter, ghee, tallow, and saturated fats because your body needs sat fats and cholesterol.

What you are doing is cutting out all seed oils (literal toxic waste level poison), preservatives and artificial additives, switching to organic foods to eliminate pesticides (low grade chronic gut dysbiosis driver and magnesium blocker), eliminating refined sugars, carbs and eliminating alcohol (if you're drinking more often than once every couple of weeks you are fucking up your gut), increasing your saturated fats, and rotating traditional/ancestral foods to replenish your likely depleted nutritional status. Pick up some basic high absorption supplements for things we never get enough of (magnesium glycinate, vitamin C, vitamin D if you don't get DAILY sun, and most importantly a vitamin K). Get high fiber meals or snacks in 3-4 days out of the week to feed your gut (yogurt with chia seeds, beans, etc.) They say you need 10g fiber daily, but your ancestors in reality were sometimes eating 100, 150, even 200g fiber a day from root vegetables when other foods were scarce. Your body gradually adapts to higher fiber intake because your gut bacteria get more efficient.

Seed oils are the real metabolic poison. If you're getting sufficient micronutrition intake and eating plenty of protein you can actually eat a fairly high number of non-refined, traditional carbs and your body and metabolism will adapt. The thing that makes everybody inflamed and metabolically brittle is seed oils above all.

Zero carb is retarded because you need fruits and vegetables or else you're leaving entire categories of nutrients on the table. By the way, when you look at the carb count of a food, you subtract the fiber amount from the total carbs. Chia seeds have 11g carbs per serving but 10g fiber, so functionally you only absorb 1g of carbs as fat.
Cazarosta on scored.co
19 hours ago 0 points (+0 / -0 ) 1 child
I definitely try to avoid seed oils as much as possible.

Okay, I think I'll keep carbs in. I'd be curious to hear what your opinion is of low carb/keto breads/tortillas and such? Some of the store brands are better than others but I've also made my own keto bread before with this brand of flour from fiber gourmet, and also used oat fiber, vital wheat gluten, and yeast.
OnceMore on scored.co
16 hours ago 0 points (+0 / -0 )
First, you cannot "try to avoid seed oils as much as possible". You have to aggressively eradicate them from your diet like you are waging a war of extinction. It is no exaggeration to say that seed oils are the definition of poison, and in 20-30 years I guarantee you there will finally be research that shows that vegetable oil is public health enemy number one and the root cause of dementia, diabetes, alzheimer's, heart disease, etc.

If you have been eating fast foods, even occasionally, or cooking with seed oils, you have linoleic fatty acids (highly inflammatory) built up in your cells and your adipose tissue. Eliminating the seed oils, eating grass fed red meats and especially rotating in WILD CAUGHT fatty fish (because farmed fish has more omega 6) along with taking a serving or two of fish oil a day will radically alter your omega 6:3 ratio and your body will begin to turn over its fatty acid profile and purge your body of the metabolic poison. You will feel results within a few weeks, and the entire process takes about 2 years if we're talking your stored fat. Fucking up and eating seed oils once every few weeks is not a big deal, but if you're still getting them a few times a week you are still running a shit ratio because even the biggest serving of fatty fish will probably only have 4-5g max of omega 3 whereas a single fried food meal can have 30, 40, 50, 60+ grams of omega 6, and the ratio needs to be even or, even better, skewed in the direction of omega 3. Also, you NEED to get it from fish; the "omega 3" in plants (chia seeds are a good example) is ALA (alpha linoleic acid), and it's only converted at a rate of about 5% to the animal omega 3s (DPA and EHA) and the rest is turned into energy, so when nuts or seeds or whatever say "3,000mg omega 3 per serving" the effective dose is only ~15mg which is absolutely pathetic and essentially meaningless.

This may require eliminating nearly every restaurant you eat at; even the "fancy" ones get food from jewish food distributors and everything is packed with seed oils. Once you have been running a healthy ratio for a month or two, you will KNOW when you've accidentally eaten seed oils somewhere, because you can taste them and you will get a terrible stomach ache since your body immediately downregulates all the anti-inflammatory machinery in your stomach and upper bowel once it doesn't need them on a daily basis. This is actually the reason people say taco bell gives them diarrhea, it's because it's absolutely sopping with rancid seed oils. Sometimes this will result in you being about to eat a big meal, and then you realize you literally cannot find something without seed oils, and you will simply skip a meal. It's not bad for you to skip a meal.

Regarding carbs: look for whole grain type breads and only get organic. One of the issues with grains (this applies to beans too and pretty much any dried hard plant based food ingredient that's harvested) is that they spray them with glyphosate (roundup) to dessicate them for harvesting, resulting in extreme levels of herbicide contamination in non-organic grains. Oftentimes, this contamination is what masquerades as celiac disease or gluten intolerance because glyphosate, being a literal poison, wages chemical warfare on the bacteria in your gut and you need their help to digest gluten.

The thing about starches like bread and tortillas is it's fundamentally a carb heavy food. You may as well ask for low-protein steak. If you only eat whole grain, then you are at least getting some fiber with your carbs, but you're still eating a huge carb dose.

Carbs in and of themselves are not the devil; the problem is *refined industrial carbs* like tapioca starch which are almost instantly converted to sugar, and then "carbs" that are actually added sugar (especially high fructose corn syrup which feeds harmful gut bacteria; if you are drinking or eating something with added sugar make sure it's cane sugar, brown sugar, molasses, SOMETHING that's just "normal sugar", nothing post-industrial). If you're eating candy every day you should already know that that's bad for you. If you want something sweet, eat lots and lots of fruit: the sugars are trapped in matrix with fiber which slows absorption, the fiber feeds your gut bacteria and improves bowel movements, and fruit is usually packed with vitamins and polyphenols which provide vital antioxidant services. Eating 40 grams of sugar in a chocolate bar is nearly worthless for you nutritionally. Eating 40 grams of sugar in fruit is usually filling AND it's extremely healthy for you. Avoid fruit juice, you're literally just drinking the flavored sugar water processed from the fruit and not getting any fiber benefits, and the sugar hits your bloodstream very fast and spikes your blood sugar.

Definitely *reduce* carbs if you're eating them for every meal, but they are not the devil. Raping your gut every day with seed oils causes chronic GI inflammation and impairs your ability to handle large boluses of carbs and sugar. If you aggressively eliminate seed oils you will find that you don't feel like dogshit anymore when you have a decent load of carbs. Also, if you start looking at ingredients on these breads, almost all of them have sunflower oil, canola oil, soybean oil, etc. It's a glyphosate and seed oil bun, not just bread. No wonder it fucks with your system.

I usually have an actual high carb dose (like a full on sandwich or some pasta or whatever) anywhere from 2-4 times a week. I do have a slice of local organic sourdough almost every day with a fuck ton of local grass fed butter and some plum jam I make at home. I also get huge carb loads when I make my chili meal prep, but it's also very high fiber and the carbs are from beans so it's not a big deal (recipe: 2lb grass fed ground beef, 3oz ground liver added to the beef if I have the time, 2 cans each of tomato sauce, diced tomatoes, garbanzo beans, black beans, kidney beans, around half a cup of chia seeds mixed in, a lot of chili powder, and some diced kale simmered in at the end). 1 bowl is probably 50 g carbs, but it's also 40 grams protein, 25 grams of fat, 15 grams of fiber (which you subtract from the carbs so it's only 35 g absorbed carbs) with almost every other nutrient a man needs.

Otherwise here's how my day can look: 2 cups coffee in the morning. Have a slice of sourdough with jam and a lot of butter an hour or two after waking. Lunch have a can of mackerel on some crackers with a couple glasses of milk. Dinner have a sirloin with diced mushrooms and chopped kale cooked in ghee. 3-4 pieces of fresh organic fruit throughout the day (1-2 kiwis eaten with the peel, 1-2 plums, if I really want more I'll eat a carton of blueberries.) Low carb, but not no carb. When I'm working I make a meal prep with a fair carb load since I'm burning carbs at work. Also hydrate well and I have a decent supplement stack that varies on a daily basis depending on what I've gotten in my diet.

Edit: Also, you must eliminate preservatives, artificial colors, and emulsifiers (carrageenan and polysorbate 80 are the worst) since emulsifiers literally strip the mucus lining off your gut and the other ingredients are all inflammatory and toxic as well.
steele2 on scored.co
1 day ago 1 point (+0 / -0 / +1Score on mirror ) 1 child
Carnivore is essentially keto which is low carb.

I like a mixture of the all three which is high protein keto.

High protein is great because it keeps you from feeling hungry between meals.

Some of the keto breads are fantastic and make a nice lunch sandwich (ham and cheese, etc) and also a slice of keto bread (most are made from almond flour, flaxseeds and eggs) with cheese spread makes a nice high-protein, very low carb side for most meals. It makes high-protein keto very easy.

The keto wraps are nice and easy too, filled with meat and cheese with salad or chili con carne.

The frozen cauliflower rice is surprisingly nice in small servings if you want to make a thai coconut curry or chinese beef and broccoli stir-fry... however keto stir fry without any rice substitute is nice too. You won't miss the rice but I especially like it with chili con carne.

Also, I'd miss cucumber side salad with cubed feta cheese in summer too much to enjoy a pure carnivore diet.
Cazarosta on scored.co
20 hours ago 0 points (+0 / -0 ) 1 child
Are keto breads/wraps really okay for you? I've been eating them for the past couple of years but I've been wondering if all of that indigestible fiber causes gut inflammation without us realizing it. And also if the calorie count isn't actually true.
steele2 on scored.co
19 hours ago 1 point (+0 / -0 / +1Score on mirror )
It depends on the ingredients.

Many great keto bread only have four or five natural non-GMO ingredients.

Don't fear whole linseeds or sunflowers because of seed oil because it's the process of processing seed oil that makes it unhealthy. Whole seeds and nuts and fine, especially if they're non-GMO.

Butttoucha9k on scored.co
20 hours ago 0 points (+0 / -0 ) 1 child
Fats and proteins only.

No carbs.

No sugar free sugars.

Just fats and proteins.

If you have this concept as your diet base then your carbs will always be in alignment. Pack of beef or sausage, sautéed, throw a red onion and mushrooms in and heavy cream and yes there will be a FEW carbs but its negligible. The key is setting your mind to one meal a day zero carbs.

OMAD is important.
Cazarosta on scored.co
20 hours ago 0 points (+0 / -0 ) 1 child
Why OMAD vs intermittent fasting? How the hell do you even manage to OMAD all of your calories? I can get crazy full after a 500 calorie meal of just some beef and vegetables; I can't imagine eating more than that.
Butttoucha9k on scored.co
19 hours ago 0 points (+0 / -0 )
Autophagy is why. Autophagy doesnt really kick in till around 22 hours of fasting. If you eat once a day you maximize regular telomere regeneration which is essentially making you younger for longer.
BeefyBelisarius on scored.co
20 hours ago 0 points (+0 / -0 ) 1 child
Do genealogy and try what your ancestors traditionally ate.
Cazarosta on scored.co
19 hours ago 0 points (+0 / -0 )
I had an ancestry test done before I was aware of the JQ, but as far as genealogy goes (at least anecdotally) my ancestors are mostly from England/Scotland/Ireland with a little bit of German...so what would you think that they primarily ate?
genesisSOC on scored.co
23 hours ago 0 points (+0 / -0 ) 1 child
I've done everything from carnivore to cyclical ketosis to paleo. I feel best on cyclical ketosis. Find what works for you. Red meat, raw dairy and eggs are the three best foods in the world, but making your own organic stonemilled einkorn bread without any yeast is also amazing, as are sweet potatoes and even white rice. Cycle in and out of ketosis twice a week, preferably on work out days.
Cazarosta on scored.co
19 hours ago 0 points (+0 / -0 ) 1 child
What's your routine? And how does cyclical ketosis work? Are you saying you carb load on days you train/workout? Because I train 4-5x a week.

I'm trying to aim for a diet more focused on fatty grass fed beef and eggs as my primary fuel source. Raw dairy is hard for me to find even though I live in a rural area, I'm sure there are some farmers near me selling it as for "animal consumption".

I don't think I've ever had einkorn, never seen it at a grocery store near me and doesn't seem the major ones near me carry it, so I'd have to order it online. What makes you choose it over any other type of wheat? (And why without yeast?). I assume on your carb days you do the einkorn bread, sweet potatoes, and white rice?
genesisSOC on scored.co
10 hours ago 0 points (+0 / -0 )
Yep, when cycling out of ketosis with good carbs, do those on two of those days you're weight training to get the most muscle growth.\
I get my Einkorn [here](https://bartonspringsmill.com), and it's because it's an ancient unjewed grain we've used for thousands of years. You specifically want to get it stone milled because the modern steel cutter methods cause it to heat up and make the oils go rancid and turn into polyunsaturated omega 6 fats instead of the healthy, whole grain and preserved fats. You also need to consume it quickly after milling, or freeze it because the nutrients quickly spoil and also go rancid after it's been milled. The most ideal method is to have your own organic wheat berries, store them properly in sealed containers (can last decades this way), and only take them out and mill them your self with a home stone miller (very expensive) for your own fresh flour.\
[This video](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ppu6G2ArXCk) summarizes all of this very well, and also explains how we ate like 60-80% of our calories as ancient grain bread for thousands of years with no health issues and were stronger and fitter than ever before.
oyest_of_veys on scored.co
23 hours ago 0 points (+0 / -0 ) 1 child
carb awareness and control will provide great results. cutting them out completely made me cranky with weird energy so i’m not keto, and things are still going in the right direction. keto works for some people though.

i also make the effort to eat dinner before 6 so i get a solid 10-12 hour fast before breakfast.

be sure to get protein in for breakfast - eggs and meat. i like to have a pre-cooked slab of steak in the fridge i can use to slice up all week for steak and eggs breakfasts. steak and eggs with a little cheese on homemade sourdough is my go-to.

also helps immensely to cut sugar and alcohol, but don’t be a fag about it and have a slice of pie or cookie when your grandma offers you one. have a pint with the boys.
Cazarosta on scored.co
19 hours ago 0 points (+0 / -0 ) 1 child
>steak and eggs with a little cheese on homemade sourdough is my go-to.

That sounds great. What type of steak do you use? I usually use top round steak because it's lean.
oyest_of_veys on scored.co
1 hour ago 0 points (+0 / -0 )
flank is my favorite for that
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Time4aCrusade on scored.co
7 hours ago 0 points (+0 / -0 )
I like these comments. Lots of good ideas. The only thing I'd add is that whenever I hear someone say "diet", the implication is that it's temporary. Just know that if you don't adopt this new eating pattern, you'll just gain weight again. Whatever path you take, it needs to be permanent
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