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In this weekly we consoooooooooom Trumpler! Unless you been living in a log cabin off grid for the last two weeks you likely know Trump has been arrested. So, what did he do? They must have finally gotten him for his trips to Epstein Island? Oops, wrong guy. Wait oh it must have been for his son’s shady business deals with Ukraine and China. Dang, wrong guy again. Oh, wait, it has something to do with that corn star Hurricane Denise? Wasn’t all this nonsense settled like years ago? Who knows... Just need to crack open a few more Dylan Mulvaney Bud Lights and turn on CNN. Is there any sports ball on?
 
 
 
 
 
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Hello, everyone. I made a post on patriotism, but I got a message from "HimmerWasRight88" against nationalism, I've decided to make this a post because many members on here say the same things he says. Let me know what you all think. Also, if you want, I will continue to discuss this with you in the comments, "HimmlerWasRight88":


>White people can only survive as a race if we are all united. The divisions of the White race in nation states (which then went to war against each other) is what caused our demise.

What did they go to war with each other for exactly? To get united. What you're talking about is known as "pan-nationalism," the Russian-Ukraine war is a war of pan-nationalist against nationalists. The struggle of the Irish against the English was an uprising of nationalists against pan-nationalists. Given international jewry's hatred for patriotism, World War 2 was probably going to happen anyway, but it was kicked off because Germany was pan-nationalist and trying to unite the German speakers.

By the way, I don't hate pan-nationalism, I think Canada should unite with America, but that alone has been a pain in the ass to get to happen by negotiating, and warfare is probably the only way that could happen.

The only way you're going to get a united race is if you invade other nations and take their land by force and force them to assimilate, which is exactly what you stand against.

There is only one time all of the attempts at trying to unite the European race worked, it happened in America. America is a pan-European identity that started with the Anglo-Saxons and absorbed every kind of European.


>I am distrustful of any movement which pushes for nationalism. It divides us further. There is always the implication that a shitskin who has been here for generations has more rights to be here than a White man with blue eyes who arrived yesterday.

Wrong. America is a pan-European identity, only Europeans, white people, can assimilate. The Supreme Court made this clear 100 years ago. All Americans are white, the rest in America are guests (that are outstaying their welcome).

Anyone who likes racial foreigners born on their soil more than racial kindred are civic-nationalist, otherwise known as internationalists, not nationalists.

>It severs the connection to the ancestral homeland, which is Europe.

What do you expect us to do instead of being America first? Serve European countries that are putting their people first like dogs? We are to be loyal to our nation and our race, but we need to have strength as an identity, otherwise we'll be overtaken real quick.

Monroe had it right, wars going on in Europe are none of our business; the only time we should fight in Europe is if an invasion of non-European happens (which is just about happening).

>America can hardly be considered a nation anyway, as it has very little culture and history.

You think Americans conquering a land mass larger than Europe is little? Going from 2 million American people to 30 million American people before the Civil War (which happened before mass migration from Europe did) is little? Building the modern world is little?

>The pride that you have in seceding from England is just silly. What did that accomplish, exactly? How would American be different today if it never seceded?

The Americans were subjects to a group of people they didn't belong to anymore. The English didn't view Americans as equals, they didn't give them proper representation. Americans created a government for themselves that set the ground work to make a united continental empire that conquered the Mexicans, Spanish, and Indians. If they didn't secede they would've continued to be treated as subjects to England and wouldn't have the autonomy to tackle the empires surrounding them and expand properly, they wouldn't have been able to cut off the British dumping endless prisoners and Africans on their shores (one reason for secession). They wouldn't have the liberty to have the American people determine their own destinies and advance America and the rest of the world.

>Pride is what Germans should have in pushing back the Asiatic hordes, or the Italians in pushing back the Islamic invaders, or the French/Spanish reconquering their country from different Islamic invaders. Europeans fought civilization-ending threats on a massive scales. White people and potentially even Christianity would not exist today if we had lost the wars that I just referred to. What did Americans fight for?

Fighting off the Indians and Mexicans isn't good enough for you? Do you have any idea of how difficult of a foe they were after they acquired firearms? They genocided settlements and kept New Englanders stuck in one spot for generations. Americans literally conquered them without aid from Europe. They fought to expand until the entire continent is covered with millions of white men and the savages were neutralized forever.

>Paying less taxes on tea? Is this your accomplishment that you keep bragging about?

Nope. If you cannot see what Americans have accomplished you need to get your eyes checked.

>By pushing the idea of Americanism you are actually depriving White Americans of the identity that they should find in European history.

I'm not depriving them of that at all. Theodore Roosevelt made it clear that you can't study American history without studying English history because it is American history.

>Americans should all share the glory and culture and history that European countries have, through your blood. Americans should inherit the European culture and history.

You're right and we have. Go visit some of our architecture pre-WW2.

>Forming an identity based around American "culture": that's MAGA.

I want an identity around being an American, a real American, white, and all that comes with it, the European culture. MAGA is a civ-nat movement that thinks America is an idea, a no nothing nationality; we are not the same.

>And it's heavily Jewish because American culture has always been heavily Jewish.

No, it hasn't always been heavily Jewish.
Jews subverted America and every other European country. America gets the most shit for it because America is the most powerful country in history, therefore they were able to do more global damage with America.

>Forming an identity based on White racial consciousness: that's National Socialism.

You can be loyal to your nation and your race. Your nation is a part of your race.