Protocols of of the Elders of Zion were debunked by a Jew
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Henry Ford still has the best take on the protocols.
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Let's pretend that someone you deeply trust comes to you with ironclad proof that the Protocols were actually a total fabrication, in a way that is utterly insurmountable.
Would that change your opinions on the jews?
If not, then what is the point of wasting any part of your time with them?
>And they wonder why more white people don’t take them seriously everyday
Literally nobody alive today has read the Protocols and been convinced by them. Absolutely nobody but the dumbest people on the planet who *already hate jews* take them seriously.
People have been more convinced by Palestine:Israel than some 20th century fanfic.
You're welcome to argue that all you want but we both know that's just your pride and ego, and your impotent shouting on a dead forum deep in the dark web doesn't change reality. Nobody cares about the Protocols. They're a stupid liability to pretend are real, and they serve *NO PRODUCTIVE PURPOSE.*
Would that change your opinions on the jews?
If not, then what is the point of wasting any part of your time with them?
>And they wonder why more white people don’t take them seriously everyday
Literally nobody alive today has read the Protocols and been convinced by them. Absolutely nobody but the dumbest people on the planet who *already hate jews* take them seriously.
People have been more convinced by Palestine:Israel than some 20th century fanfic.
You're welcome to argue that all you want but we both know that's just your pride and ego, and your impotent shouting on a dead forum deep in the dark web doesn't change reality. Nobody cares about the Protocols. They're a stupid liability to pretend are real, and they serve *NO PRODUCTIVE PURPOSE.*
>they should be able to debunk easily
My point is there is no debunk that exists that you would believe.
The parts that are near word for word plagiarism from works alleged to be produced after the Protocols is hard to explain beyond just claiming that that proof is fake.
Look, the same 'its real to me dammit!' is what drives conspiracy theory and I like to bring up HAARP because HAARP is by far the dumbest of the theories.
HAARP being weather control was simply invented by a guy selling a book. That's the earliest connection that can be found. He never had any government documents. No whistleblowers. And definitely no research into the math behind it to substantiate a conclusion.
The HAARP theory was made up. But when you question it, people respond passionately and try to make arguments defending it. But we know the arguments are invalid because the theory was just fabricated in the first place.
It's logically retarded to invent a conclusion and then find the evidence second. You know who else does that? Climate change activists. They say "we know the planet is warming" and if their data says otherwise they 'correct' the data or invent excuses.
The Protocols just appeared out of thin air like magic. They just happen to tell anyone skeptical of jews the exact things they accuse/believe them of doing.
The entire issue of the Protocols is that it's supposed to be a big 'confession', a secret document of them detailing their evil ways.
If you already believe the jews acting of evil it would be easy to believe that this was a damning piece of evidence they themselves created.
But if the protocols were just fanfic LARP, it wouldn't change anything. "Why do the protocols describe things jews do?" well I dunno maybe because someone extremely based wrote it?
I frankly find the idea that jews created this ridiculously damning manifesto under a belief it somehow could never be leaked to be insulting, because it would imply jews are so stupid it would question how the fuck a group so dumb amassed so much power and influence.
My point is there is no debunk that exists that you would believe.
The parts that are near word for word plagiarism from works alleged to be produced after the Protocols is hard to explain beyond just claiming that that proof is fake.
Look, the same 'its real to me dammit!' is what drives conspiracy theory and I like to bring up HAARP because HAARP is by far the dumbest of the theories.
HAARP being weather control was simply invented by a guy selling a book. That's the earliest connection that can be found. He never had any government documents. No whistleblowers. And definitely no research into the math behind it to substantiate a conclusion.
The HAARP theory was made up. But when you question it, people respond passionately and try to make arguments defending it. But we know the arguments are invalid because the theory was just fabricated in the first place.
It's logically retarded to invent a conclusion and then find the evidence second. You know who else does that? Climate change activists. They say "we know the planet is warming" and if their data says otherwise they 'correct' the data or invent excuses.
The Protocols just appeared out of thin air like magic. They just happen to tell anyone skeptical of jews the exact things they accuse/believe them of doing.
The entire issue of the Protocols is that it's supposed to be a big 'confession', a secret document of them detailing their evil ways.
If you already believe the jews acting of evil it would be easy to believe that this was a damning piece of evidence they themselves created.
But if the protocols were just fanfic LARP, it wouldn't change anything. "Why do the protocols describe things jews do?" well I dunno maybe because someone extremely based wrote it?
I frankly find the idea that jews created this ridiculously damning manifesto under a belief it somehow could never be leaked to be insulting, because it would imply jews are so stupid it would question how the fuck a group so dumb amassed so much power and influence.
A forgery? Of what? And please explain how the actual CONTENTS of the manuscript are not being enacted by jews in power and influence. The deflection these pilpul manipulators do is so frustrating.
Somebody is downvoting your posts only on ConPro.
I always take away the automatic upvote on my comments and posts because I think it's RedditGay to automatically upvoat yourself.
Im too lazy to do it but I think having my own posts auto-updooted is also pretty stupid and wish there was a setting to disable it.
Weird, do you always start counting at zero instead of one?
>And please explain how the actual CONTENTS of the manuscript are not being enacted by jews in power and influence.
Is everybody in this entire forum actually this fucking stupid?
If a ConPro user fabricated a fake text of some 'long lost jewish tome', and filled it with anything they wanted with intent to harm jews, what do you think would happen if it were "unveiled" exclusively here?
Do you think anybody here would say anything but "AHA THIS PROVES EVERYTHING!"
Of the people who looked at it and said "Yeah I think this may be bullshit", do you think anyone else would listen, or would they just be screamed at?
This place literally falls for retarded fake memes every single day. The Protocols are the 20th century version of retarded and fake memes.
Is everybody in this entire forum actually this fucking stupid?
If a ConPro user fabricated a fake text of some 'long lost jewish tome', and filled it with anything they wanted with intent to harm jews, what do you think would happen if it were "unveiled" exclusively here?
Do you think anybody here would say anything but "AHA THIS PROVES EVERYTHING!"
Of the people who looked at it and said "Yeah I think this may be bullshit", do you think anyone else would listen, or would they just be screamed at?
This place literally falls for retarded fake memes every single day. The Protocols are the 20th century version of retarded and fake memes.
"plagiarized from earlier works"
It's OK to use other sources in your work. Everybody does it.
The "earlier works" were probably "British" prime minister Benjamin Disraeli's books: https://www.unz.com/article/the-disraeli-enigma/
It's OK to use other sources in your work. Everybody does it.
The "earlier works" were probably "British" prime minister Benjamin Disraeli's books: https://www.unz.com/article/the-disraeli-enigma/
First few have the details of these claims, which are a joke upon scrutiny https://christogenea.org/podcasts/historical/protocols
I'm not trusting any website that looks exactly like the kind of sites that automatically installed 320 viruses and Bonzai Buddy on your PC back in the day.
LOL this is the "ironclad proof" you need to prove the protocol forgery claims are a joke, and you're attacking the site based on how it looks.
Wasnt he not just a jew, but also a jew with ties to (((Secret Societies). Also interesting pilpul on him pointing out the document was a "forgery" because it took from earlier works, but a lot of documents that arent forged will also reiterate on older works (like the Bible, which is a collation of ancient Hebrew and Greek literature of Divine Inspiration, as well as stuff like dictionaries and collegiate textbooks). Technically something can be a forgery if it uses older works, but it doesnt automatically make something one.
The point you're missing is that the Protocols claimed to be older than the works it basically plagarized.
The entire thing reads like ConPro fanfiction anyway.
The entire thing reads like ConPro fanfiction anyway.
I mean maybe the protocols were supposed to be a compilation of works and the date is of the oldest work compiled. Or maybe its the master document and the other works actually are newer than it. A lot of it lines up with what the jews have done, both before it was published as well as after. Same for that communist plan for subverting america, which matches up with both the protocols and what the commies have done here. If the protocols are a forgery, they were forged with someone who could see the future.
Right, but you said it yourself: *maybe maybe maybe*.
They appeared out of thin air with no attribution, no historical reference point, no chain of custody.
Consider this: if the Protocols were *fake*, basically a false-flag document written to drive sentiment against jews, what would be different about them? Would they actually say anything differently? Would they have similarly just kind of 'appeared'? Would there also be no real historical record mentioning their existence?
I submit that there would not be. I think taking the Protocols seriously is a big unforced error. There's no benefit to believing they're real, and no matter what people here claim, yes, there *is always* a chance it's a fake, and it's not a low chance.
So is it worth weakening your own position with a piece of evidence that could be faked, and nobody actually knows either way? No, I don't think it is.
They appeared out of thin air with no attribution, no historical reference point, no chain of custody.
Consider this: if the Protocols were *fake*, basically a false-flag document written to drive sentiment against jews, what would be different about them? Would they actually say anything differently? Would they have similarly just kind of 'appeared'? Would there also be no real historical record mentioning their existence?
I submit that there would not be. I think taking the Protocols seriously is a big unforced error. There's no benefit to believing they're real, and no matter what people here claim, yes, there *is always* a chance it's a fake, and it's not a low chance.
So is it worth weakening your own position with a piece of evidence that could be faked, and nobody actually knows either way? No, I don't think it is.
>f the Protocols were fake, basically a false-flag document written to drive sentiment against jews, what would be different about them? Would they actually say anything differently?
I mean, the protocols document a long term game-plan, so theyre easily brushed off, if someone actually wanted to forge a document to cause a pogrom, it would be something document an immediate threat, like mass well poisonings going on or something.
I mean, the protocols document a long term game-plan, so theyre easily brushed off, if someone actually wanted to forge a document to cause a pogrom, it would be something document an immediate threat, like mass well poisonings going on or something.
>I mean, the protocols document a long term game-plan, so theyre easily brushed off, if someone actually wanted to forge a document to cause a pogrom, it would be something document an immediate threat, like mass well poisonings going on or something.
That's extremely very much begging the question. There's nothing to that that precludes it being a based false flag, except that maybe whoever created it could have had more foresight than his semi-retarded peers.
This was written in the 20th century. The world was becoming a vastly more connected place even by then. This wasn't "rile up the local peasants so they go drown a witch". If you went back to the 1500s with the Protocols, probably even fervent jew-haters wouldn't have the geopolitical intelligence to actually understand what the fuck it was talking about.
That's extremely very much begging the question. There's nothing to that that precludes it being a based false flag, except that maybe whoever created it could have had more foresight than his semi-retarded peers.
This was written in the 20th century. The world was becoming a vastly more connected place even by then. This wasn't "rile up the local peasants so they go drown a witch". If you went back to the 1500s with the Protocols, probably even fervent jew-haters wouldn't have the geopolitical intelligence to actually understand what the fuck it was talking about.
The Protocols are the 20th century version of the fake retarded gay memes and stories that get posted here every single day, and the logic back then is exactly the same as the logic now:
"This thing is telling me *exactly what I want to hear*, therefore it *must be true.*"
The comments here indicate that some of you have a very worryingly low IQ to not understand. Example, one of the comments:
>And please explain how the actual CONTENTS of the manuscript are not being enacted by jews in power and influence.
If ConPro were secretly tasked with writing a fake piece of jewish lore with the intent of undermining jewish interests, it would literally read exactly like the fucking Protocols. Furthermore, if the intended *audience* of that fake piece of lore *was also for ConPro itself*, it would probably echo shit people here have literally said.
But rather than looking at it and saying "hold on, this is too good to be true, and why doesn't even remotely sound like a jew wrote it?", everyone would run around going "OMG IT'S PROVEN" and the world would continue to take none of you seriously whatsoever.
The fact that the Protocols literally tell you *exactly what you want to hear*, every single last word on every single page, that it's magically revealing some 'secret' jewish plan that they just *happened* to have written out in *exacting* detail, compiled together in a mysterious book that appeared out of thin air like magic in the 20th century, without *any* sort of attribution or explanation where it came from...
Dude I refuse to believe that all of you are this fucking gullible. Holy shit AI's ability to fake anything is going to completely destroy your reality if you are actually so easily manipulated.
Then again, who am I kidding. There hasn't been one single conspiracy theory, no matter how fabulously fucking stupid, that this place hasn't literally fallen for every word of and reacted in psychotic rednecky retard anger if anyone even dares suggest it might be fake and gay.
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Let's pretend that someone you deeply trust comes to you with ironclad proof that the Protocols were actually a total fabrication, in a way that is utterly insurmountable.
Would that change your opinions on the jews?
If not, then what is the point of wasting any part of your time with them? If your opinion wouldn't change with or without them, then why even consider the Protocols in the first place, when their origins *are* dubious?
"This thing is telling me *exactly what I want to hear*, therefore it *must be true.*"
The comments here indicate that some of you have a very worryingly low IQ to not understand. Example, one of the comments:
>And please explain how the actual CONTENTS of the manuscript are not being enacted by jews in power and influence.
If ConPro were secretly tasked with writing a fake piece of jewish lore with the intent of undermining jewish interests, it would literally read exactly like the fucking Protocols. Furthermore, if the intended *audience* of that fake piece of lore *was also for ConPro itself*, it would probably echo shit people here have literally said.
But rather than looking at it and saying "hold on, this is too good to be true, and why doesn't even remotely sound like a jew wrote it?", everyone would run around going "OMG IT'S PROVEN" and the world would continue to take none of you seriously whatsoever.
The fact that the Protocols literally tell you *exactly what you want to hear*, every single last word on every single page, that it's magically revealing some 'secret' jewish plan that they just *happened* to have written out in *exacting* detail, compiled together in a mysterious book that appeared out of thin air like magic in the 20th century, without *any* sort of attribution or explanation where it came from...
Dude I refuse to believe that all of you are this fucking gullible. Holy shit AI's ability to fake anything is going to completely destroy your reality if you are actually so easily manipulated.
Then again, who am I kidding. There hasn't been one single conspiracy theory, no matter how fabulously fucking stupid, that this place hasn't literally fallen for every word of and reacted in psychotic rednecky retard anger if anyone even dares suggest it might be fake and gay.
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Let's pretend that someone you deeply trust comes to you with ironclad proof that the Protocols were actually a total fabrication, in a way that is utterly insurmountable.
Would that change your opinions on the jews?
If not, then what is the point of wasting any part of your time with them? If your opinion wouldn't change with or without them, then why even consider the Protocols in the first place, when their origins *are* dubious?
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