gnosticism is just another witch heresy made for people who want to belong to a cult. it only explains jews pretty well in the sense that a jew might be the one pushing it to further lead away people from Christ by selling them a magical fairy version instead.
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Jesus Christ is the son of the Perfect Father in Gnosticism and a revered figure who helps people. Why would they want to lead people away from Jesus Christ? Why would a jew promote a religion that says the jewish God is imperfect and Jesus Christ is the son of the Perfect God who came to humanity to help them escape the Jewish God? Doesn't make sense.
> jewish God
the idea that God is jewish is a jewish trick to begin with, and any discussion starting with this premise is flawed. the OT is one long story of the judean jews (and also israelites in general - Whites today are also sinful for example...) repeatedly fucking up no matter what God tried until He sent down Jesus Christ to clarify things and begin an age of antisemitism and vigilance against demons that hadn't existed before. how could this have happened without the OT happening at all? how can you know what Good is, without having the Evil to compare to? even Jesus Christ said He came not to nullify the OT but to fulfill it, and indeed He has, because by looking at the flaws of the OT hebrews and the pharisees we know what not to emulate.
that to me doesn't signify any imperfection, unless you subscribe to the Babycandian Paradox kind of thinking where a "perfect God" would obviously mean always giving you candy and making it healthy for you too. but that falls apart if Jesus Christ is supposed to be that, because even after His coming we still have evil to deal with. so the whole premise doesn't make sense.
the idea that God is jewish is a jewish trick to begin with, and any discussion starting with this premise is flawed. the OT is one long story of the judean jews (and also israelites in general - Whites today are also sinful for example...) repeatedly fucking up no matter what God tried until He sent down Jesus Christ to clarify things and begin an age of antisemitism and vigilance against demons that hadn't existed before. how could this have happened without the OT happening at all? how can you know what Good is, without having the Evil to compare to? even Jesus Christ said He came not to nullify the OT but to fulfill it, and indeed He has, because by looking at the flaws of the OT hebrews and the pharisees we know what not to emulate.
that to me doesn't signify any imperfection, unless you subscribe to the Babycandian Paradox kind of thinking where a "perfect God" would obviously mean always giving you candy and making it healthy for you too. but that falls apart if Jesus Christ is supposed to be that, because even after His coming we still have evil to deal with. so the whole premise doesn't make sense.
Many people.on ConPro say the God that jews worship is actually the devil so distinguishing the "jewish" god from God is common practice among many people. Are you suggesting jews worship the same God as you? Perhaps you worship the devil too?
How could it have happened without the OT happening? Well, it couldn't have but I'm not saying the OT didn't happen just that the OT God is an imperfect God.
We know what good and evil is because Eve at the fruit and gave it to Adam to eat.
Jesus Christ didn't pluck humanity out of the material world such that evil ceased to exist for us but he showed us the way to leave the material world such that evil wouldn't follow us.
How could it have happened without the OT happening? Well, it couldn't have but I'm not saying the OT didn't happen just that the OT God is an imperfect God.
We know what good and evil is because Eve at the fruit and gave it to Adam to eat.
Jesus Christ didn't pluck humanity out of the material world such that evil ceased to exist for us but he showed us the way to leave the material world such that evil wouldn't follow us.
> Many people.on ConPro say the God that jews worship is actually the devil so distinguishing the "jewish" god from God is common practice among many people. Are you suggesting jews worship the same God as you? Perhaps you worship the devil too?
No. Principally jews are decieved. They think they worship God, but they don't. Now, some of them actually don't believe they worship only God, and believe they worship the devil too. These jews are Mysitic jews. They're retarded and decieved even from the standard jews' viewpoint. Then there are devil worshippers who are jewish. Literally satanists, who may or may not believe that satanism/their flavor of it is the true fulfillment of judaism, e.g. Marina Abramovitch.
No. Principally jews are decieved. They think they worship God, but they don't. Now, some of them actually don't believe they worship only God, and believe they worship the devil too. These jews are Mysitic jews. They're retarded and decieved even from the standard jews' viewpoint. Then there are devil worshippers who are jewish. Literally satanists, who may or may not believe that satanism/their flavor of it is the true fulfillment of judaism, e.g. Marina Abramovitch.
Source?
Or are you just making stuff up?
Or are you just making stuff up?
Definitely not making anything up here.... I have the Gnostic Gospels in front of me and I've been reading them all the last few days.
>"However, I saw someone coming near us who looked like the one who was laughing on the tree (cross). He was filled with the Holy Spirit, and it was the Savior (Jesus Christ). There was a great light surrounding them, indescribable light and countless angels blessing them... ...The one who was released is my incorporeal body. I am the rational Spirit, full of radiant light. The one you saw approaching me is the spiritual Fullness, uniting perfect light with the Holy Spirit in me... That is why I said, 'To everyone who has, more will be given,' and 'Whoever has nothing,' - which refers to the man of this world who is completely dead - 'will have everything taken away'. And if someone manifests from the immortal being, they think they will capture him; 'to him it will be given and will be taken from the one who is.' But you, be brave and do not fear anyone, for I will be with you so that none of your enemies will have power over you. Peace be with you; be strong." When the Savior had said this, Peter came to himself. The Apocalypse of Peter." - Apocalypse of Peter
>The Father looked at Barelo in the unstained light that surrounds the invisible Spirit and his radiance, and from him, she conceived. In this way he generated a flame of light in the light, in the form of blessing, but it is not equal to his greatness . It is the only child of the Metropator, which emerged. It is born by him alone, the only son of the father, pure light. - Apocryphon of John
Here you have Jesus conveyed as the son of the father and is known as the Savior in Gnosticism.
>"However, I saw someone coming near us who looked like the one who was laughing on the tree (cross). He was filled with the Holy Spirit, and it was the Savior (Jesus Christ). There was a great light surrounding them, indescribable light and countless angels blessing them... ...The one who was released is my incorporeal body. I am the rational Spirit, full of radiant light. The one you saw approaching me is the spiritual Fullness, uniting perfect light with the Holy Spirit in me... That is why I said, 'To everyone who has, more will be given,' and 'Whoever has nothing,' - which refers to the man of this world who is completely dead - 'will have everything taken away'. And if someone manifests from the immortal being, they think they will capture him; 'to him it will be given and will be taken from the one who is.' But you, be brave and do not fear anyone, for I will be with you so that none of your enemies will have power over you. Peace be with you; be strong." When the Savior had said this, Peter came to himself. The Apocalypse of Peter." - Apocalypse of Peter
>The Father looked at Barelo in the unstained light that surrounds the invisible Spirit and his radiance, and from him, she conceived. In this way he generated a flame of light in the light, in the form of blessing, but it is not equal to his greatness . It is the only child of the Metropator, which emerged. It is born by him alone, the only son of the father, pure light. - Apocryphon of John
Here you have Jesus conveyed as the son of the father and is known as the Savior in Gnosticism.
>the God in the Torah is actually an imperfect God (described as resembling a dragon)
Source?
Source?
Sure.
"...and from her emerged her imperfect creation,... ...her creation changed its appearance to resemble a dragon with a lion's head... ...She also named him Yaldabaoth. ...He (Yaldaboath) is delirious in his ignorance, which is in him. For he said, "I am God, and there is no other God besides me." ...When he saw the creation that surrounded him and the multitude of angels around him, which came from him, he said to them, "I am a jealous god, and there is no other god beside me." But when he announced this, he indicated to the angels who are with him that there is another God (the Perfect Father). For if there were no other, against whom would he be jealous?" - Apocryphon of John
"...and from her emerged her imperfect creation,... ...her creation changed its appearance to resemble a dragon with a lion's head... ...She also named him Yaldabaoth. ...He (Yaldaboath) is delirious in his ignorance, which is in him. For he said, "I am God, and there is no other God besides me." ...When he saw the creation that surrounded him and the multitude of angels around him, which came from him, he said to them, "I am a jealous god, and there is no other god beside me." But when he announced this, he indicated to the angels who are with him that there is another God (the Perfect Father). For if there were no other, against whom would he be jealous?" - Apocryphon of John
I forget where but there was an old depiction of "Iahveh" with giant snakes for legs. Someone pointed out "Leviticus" shares a root with "Leviathan" as well.
Giant snakes for legs, sounds like abraxas, did they say "Iahveh" had the head of a chicken? (well, it could well be that the jews worshipped a long-nosed deity back in those days, which could be described as chickenheadedness)
There used to be a poster with a handle like "TalmudGodYaldabaoth" or something which was an A++ reference
Gnosticism was rejected as it conflicts with other Biblical teachings, emphasizing that hidden knowledge is important for salvation rather than faith and works.
> Many people say that jews worship the devil. Well, the Gnostics basically said the same thing in texts over 2000 years old.
Those who rejected Christ - which would include certain Jews - were condemned in certain passages like John 8:44
> You are of your father the devil, and the desires of your father you will do. He was a murderer from the beginning, and he stood not in the truth; because truth is not in him.
There was also however a universalist message, which might. conflict with Gnostic views of Jews, that "good Jews" who become Christians might be saved and are united with gentiles as one Church in Christ (Galatians 3:28);
> There is neither Jew nor Greek: there is neither bond nor free: there is neither male nor female. For you are all one in Christ Jesus.
> Many people say that jews worship the devil. Well, the Gnostics basically said the same thing in texts over 2000 years old.
Those who rejected Christ - which would include certain Jews - were condemned in certain passages like John 8:44
> You are of your father the devil, and the desires of your father you will do. He was a murderer from the beginning, and he stood not in the truth; because truth is not in him.
There was also however a universalist message, which might. conflict with Gnostic views of Jews, that "good Jews" who become Christians might be saved and are united with gentiles as one Church in Christ (Galatians 3:28);
> There is neither Jew nor Greek: there is neither bond nor free: there is neither male nor female. For you are all one in Christ Jesus.
Gnostics do in fact accept this. However, I wonder what the original word is that's translated to "the devil". I wonder if the real original word was simply adversary which got modern translated to "the devil" because I believe Jesus may have simply been pointing out that the imperfect "tribal demi God" was humanity's adversary (not "the devil as we understand it" though modern Christianity may refer to this entity as the devil and perhaps much of the lore surrounding the devil is specifically discussing this entity).
I just find Gnosticism interesting in the sense that it basically discounts the Torah entirely because it suggests the God discussed in the Torah is the imperfect God who isn't really a good God at all and attempts to enslave/entrap humanity. By believing in this Gnostic take, it completely rids Christianity of the Jewish hold on it.
I just find Gnosticism interesting in the sense that it basically discounts the Torah entirely because it suggests the God discussed in the Torah is the imperfect God who isn't really a good God at all and attempts to enslave/entrap humanity. By believing in this Gnostic take, it completely rids Christianity of the Jewish hold on it.
Lucifer being the god of this world was standard Catholic catechism for most of Church history. It's why he promises Christ earthly things (wealth, power) in the desert (and is summarily rebuked)
Yes, I do believe the perfect Father and imperfect Father have been commingled significantly. Part of the reason for this is because people were never taught that the two existed.
In Gnosticism, it was the imperfect Father who created us but it was an extension of the perfect Father that gave us life. Easily commingled as one Father who gave us both rather than separated out as the Gnostics do.
Demons are mentioned in the original Gnostic text I've been reading but I'd need to delve more into it to truly understand their purpose.
Gnosticism seems to have a different take on demons and demonic possession than most Christians understanding of the two; however, in practice the outcome is similar. Gnosticism suggests there are Archons (rulers of this world) created by the imperfect God who keep humans trapped in this material world. The way in which they keep humans trapped is by distracting humans away from the innate understanding of their divine spark. They do this by distracting humans with vices (so-to-speak) that a Christian would associate with demonic possession and these archons are describes by some as demonic (due to the commingling of religious theories). Gnostics wouldn't just believe in "demonic possession" as a Christian would understand it but they would go on to say it's a defining feature of the material world because it is through demons and demonic possessions the archons keep us trapped in this material world.
In Gnosticism, it was the imperfect Father who created us but it was an extension of the perfect Father that gave us life. Easily commingled as one Father who gave us both rather than separated out as the Gnostics do.
Demons are mentioned in the original Gnostic text I've been reading but I'd need to delve more into it to truly understand their purpose.
Gnosticism seems to have a different take on demons and demonic possession than most Christians understanding of the two; however, in practice the outcome is similar. Gnosticism suggests there are Archons (rulers of this world) created by the imperfect God who keep humans trapped in this material world. The way in which they keep humans trapped is by distracting humans away from the innate understanding of their divine spark. They do this by distracting humans with vices (so-to-speak) that a Christian would associate with demonic possession and these archons are describes by some as demonic (due to the commingling of religious theories). Gnostics wouldn't just believe in "demonic possession" as a Christian would understand it but they would go on to say it's a defining feature of the material world because it is through demons and demonic possessions the archons keep us trapped in this material world.
I doubt there's much confusion since in the Apocyphon of John it says: "The Father looked at Barbelo in the unstained light that surrounds the invisible Spirit and his radiance, and from him, she conceived. In this way, he generated a flame of light in the light, in the form of blessing, but it is not equal to his greatness. It is the only child of the Metropator, which emerged. It is born by him alone, the only son of the father, pure light. The invisible and virgin spirit rejoiced at the light that arose, which appeared through the first power of his Pronoia, that is, through Barbelo."
Essentially, the Father, the son and the invisible virgin spirit are the trinity in this context.
The resurrection is the reason the Catholic Church declared Gnostics as heretics. The Gnostics believe that Jesus did resurrect but as his true form which is "pure light".
Essentially, the Father, the son and the invisible virgin spirit are the trinity in this context.
The resurrection is the reason the Catholic Church declared Gnostics as heretics. The Gnostics believe that Jesus did resurrect but as his true form which is "pure light".
Gnosticism is the theological "Right Wing", in that there's a lot of divergence of ideas
We have our equivalent of 'turning point' big-tent moderate tards (modern so-called 'gnostics' like (((samael aun weor))) the latrinx demiurge apologist) and degenerate lolberts/libertines (if Epiphanius is right, borborites would be an example of lolberts), Noticers (Marcionites) and schizos (Hermeticists)
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Marcion_of_Sinope#Teachings :
> According to Marcion, the God of the Old Testament, whom he called the Demiurge, the creator of the material universe, is a jealous tribal deity of the Jews, whose law represents legalistic reciprocal justice and who punishes mankind for its sins through suffering and death.
> In contrast, the God that Jesus professed is an altogether different being, a universal God of compassion and love who looks upon humanity with benevolence and mercy.
> Marcion also produced a book titled Antitheses, which is no longer extant,[28] contrasting the Demiurge of the Old Testament with the Heavenly Father of the New Testament.
We have our equivalent of 'turning point' big-tent moderate tards (modern so-called 'gnostics' like (((samael aun weor))) the latrinx demiurge apologist) and degenerate lolberts/libertines (if Epiphanius is right, borborites would be an example of lolberts), Noticers (Marcionites) and schizos (Hermeticists)
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Marcion_of_Sinope#Teachings :
> According to Marcion, the God of the Old Testament, whom he called the Demiurge, the creator of the material universe, is a jealous tribal deity of the Jews, whose law represents legalistic reciprocal justice and who punishes mankind for its sins through suffering and death.
> In contrast, the God that Jesus professed is an altogether different being, a universal God of compassion and love who looks upon humanity with benevolence and mercy.
> Marcion also produced a book titled Antitheses, which is no longer extant,[28] contrasting the Demiurge of the Old Testament with the Heavenly Father of the New Testament.
Gnosticism and the demiurge? We hashed that out on RSF's private community.
The concept is that God is actually evil, Lucifer is actually good. It's such a vain understanding of things. It's obvious it's based on Lucifer's name being light bringer that he must be God. It's fucking retarded. Gnostics need the rope, just like all other pagans.
The concept is that God is actually evil, Lucifer is actually good. It's such a vain understanding of things. It's obvious it's based on Lucifer's name being light bringer that he must be God. It's fucking retarded. Gnostics need the rope, just like all other pagans.
Gnosticism is ill-defined and is used to describe a wide variety of beliefs.
It's also inconsistent. IIRC, Revelation was once considered gnostic.
It's also inconsistent. IIRC, Revelation was once considered gnostic.
Revelation could be Gnostic. Of all the texts in the bible it seems the most out of place.
Definition of Gnosticism:
Dualistic Cosmology: A radical separation between the spiritual realm (good) and the material world (flawed).
The Demiurge: The belief that the physical universe was created by a lesser, imperfect deity known as the demiurge, rather than the supreme, true God.
Divine Spark: The conviction that humans contain a fragment of the divine spirit trapped within material bodies, requiring gnosis (awakening) to escape the material world
Christological Views: Many Gnostics viewed Jesus as a divine messenger who brought secret teachings for liberation.
Definition of Gnosticism:
Dualistic Cosmology: A radical separation between the spiritual realm (good) and the material world (flawed).
The Demiurge: The belief that the physical universe was created by a lesser, imperfect deity known as the demiurge, rather than the supreme, true God.
Divine Spark: The conviction that humans contain a fragment of the divine spirit trapped within material bodies, requiring gnosis (awakening) to escape the material world
Christological Views: Many Gnostics viewed Jesus as a divine messenger who brought secret teachings for liberation.
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Christcucks really think that an *Imperial Roman* compilation of their religion's writings contains **zero lies of omission** or distortions. This kind of stupidity is mind boggling. You think the Nicaea Council was a charitable act? Embrace. Extend. Extinguish.
If the Christians here were actually serious people, they'd be interested in what their religion was [before the schisms](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Category:Christian_denominational_families). It's not perfect but at least they'd learn what used to be [common knowledge](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nestorianism#Doctrine) and divorce themselves from this ridiculous Jesus worship. The Romans literally set you up an idol and you swallowed it.
The further back in time you go with the Western tradition, **the more accurate it becomes**. There is a hundred times more **Christian spiritual utility** in the [Nag Hamadi library](http://www.gnosis.org/naghamm/nhlalpha.html) than in the entire KJV.
Not that a modern Christian cares about their return to perfection anyway: too busy with the **slave morality** of "worship" and "belief". If any of these losers actually realized the practical meaning of [Mathew 18:2-4](https://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=Matthew%2018%3A2-4&version=YLT) their precious bible would immediately become worthless. [The Gospel of Truth](http://www.gnosis.org/naghamm/got-barnstone.html)
[Proto-orthodox Christianity](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Proto-orthodox_Christianity)
>In modern times, many non-orthodox early Christian writings were discovered by scholars, gradually challenging the traditional Eusebian narrative. Bauer was the first to suggest that what later became known as **"orthodoxy" was originally just one out of many early Christian sects, such as the Ebionites, Gnostics, and Marcionists, that was able to eliminate all major opposition by the end of the 3rd century, and managed to establish itself as orthodoxy at the First Council of Nicaea (325)** and subsequent ecumenical councils. According to Bauer, **the early Egyptian churches were largely Gnostic**, the 2nd-century churches in Asia Minor were largely Marcionist, and so on. But because the church in the city of Rome was "proto-orthodox", in Ehrman's terms, Bauer contended they had strategic advantages over all other sects because of their proximity to the Roman Empire's centre of power.[7]
[Early Christian Writings](https://earlychristianwritings.com/)
For example with Gnosticism, there seems to be an emphasis on hidden knowledge for salvation, but the Scripture teaches salvation by faith and works. So someone could "independently" conclude this is a wrong viewpoint (even if they didn't conclude Catholicism was true)
Likewise with Catholicism versus orthodoxy and protestantism, one might observe there were popes since the beginning of Christianity and that most groups typically have a singular leader. Hence one might tend to independently conclude that Catholicism has an edge on being historically consistent as well as pragmatic with having a singular leader.
And so on with other conflicting beliefs or heresies.
I think you are misleading people on purpose.