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10 months ago2 points(+0/-0/+2Score on mirror)7 children
Nobody is going to like to hear this: The reality is that the entire 'Epstein was killed / there is an Epstein list / and it was used for blackmail' thing was literally 100% conjecture. It always had been and in the six years since nobody ever came up with a single thing beyond more conjecture. That's a LOT of time to investigate (of course, I'm assuming conspiracy theorists ever investigate fuck-all anything, though we all know they don't) and come up with nothing.
And without even checking, I know for a fact that all of this was invented by exactly one of two entities - 4chan, and Alex Jones, both of which are retarded. Don't ever forget that 4chan invented Qanon, that's how "credible" their conspiracies are.
Everyone just repeated this so often to each other that it literally caused permanent brain alterations, and now everyone is convinced, in some kind of fucking Berenstain Bears-type event, that they 'know' it was real, but none of them can explain how they know it.
Even if you want to continue to believe there was a list, you cannot really say there is a guaranteed *zero percent* chance that there was no list - not unless you've become that comfortable with dishonesty and lying.
What if there actually was no 'list'? It would immediately take 'Arkancided' and 'Blackmail' off the table and the entire conspiracy collapses.
Nobody ever leaked fuck-all about a list. There was never once any official connection or refence to it. No document was ever found that referenced it, nothing of the sort.
Pam Bondi ran her yap and then invented some dumbfuck story about the SDNY, but she made that shit up as cover for her stupid "the files are on my desk!" nothingburger.
Guys, it's like "HAARP is weather control". That shit was literally made up to sell a book. No, seriously, dig in to it as hard as you can, you'll find nothing. No government document leaked. No whistleblower came forward. Not a single person in existence has ever even demonstrated a workable physics theory on how HAARP even works. It was *seriously* invented by a guy who made a living writing books about conspiracy theories. It's a fucking joke at this point but people are convinced that they "know" HAARP is weather control. They can't tell you where they heard it, or how they know, or how it even works. It's just fucking baked into their retarded firmware, and will be forever, until someone removes that part of their brain with a bullet.
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But everybody on the right just makes shit up (about EVERYTHING), then demands the release of files, and then files get released and if they don't tell you exactly whatever shit you made up in your head, you insist they're fake, and the idea that maybe you were actually wrong has become such an impossible feeling that I think it would cause some of you actual physical pain and mental anguish to accept it.
The fact that Ghislane Maxwell wasn't "suicided" alone blows a pretty fuckin' huge hole in the Epstein Didn't Kill Himself theory. You just have to make up even more unsubstantiated conjecture to explain it.
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Maybe... MAYBE... ***MAYBE*** sometimes there isn't fuck-all because there isn't fuck-all.
Did it? Which Americans died for Israel in a war with Iran? This wasn't even a month ago and you're already trying to spin the narrative and tell us 'don't believe your lying eyes'?
All of you were in mind-melting hysterics screaming for days. It's not like I can't find the threads of the absolute *meltdown* you all had. You were all *so convinced* that *this was it!*
Most of your own PERSONAL meltdown happened in this thread: https://communities.win/c/Conspiracies/p/19BGmGxv6s/top-post-on-patriotswin-fixed/c
And then what happened? Oh... literally nothing happened. How fucking embarrassing for you. "Zognald Trump does anything Israel tells him! We're going to die for Israel! World war 3!!!!"
You'll never explain how and why you whiffed so fucking hard on that one. You'll actively *avoid* ever explaining that one. You'll never admit you were wrong.
How fucking jewish of you, and of this entire movement. You want to know when I completely lost any and all respect for any of you? It was that day, when you all deep-throated a mile of muslim dick, defending Iran, and began crying about Gaza and shit.
And now you're going to just gaslight that that never happened, you'll cry in pain as you lash out, and you'll refuse to take any accountability for how completely fucking wrong you were about any of it.
And you have the gall to complain about jews after that dishonorable series of events?
10 months ago1 point(+0/-0/+1Score on mirror)2 children
>Uh, there was a trial where victims testified. And a partial list was leaked to WikiLeaks many years ago.
And exactly zero of any of that ever actually referenced any 'client list' or 'blackmail'. The best anyone came up with for evidence was 'this guy was photographed at a cocktail party with Epstein', and 'Here's a random flight log'.
Get mad all you want, we know this is the truth. If it wasn't, then any and every time anyone brought up the 'Epstein List', they'd be constantly referencing that evidence. But they don't, because there was nothing there.
Of course a lot of powerful people were in Epstein's orbit. He was a ridiculously wealthy socialite and had met pretty much everybody who ever had money or influence at one point or another.
Try to focus, we're talking specifically about him keeping a 'list' and 'blackmail'. For all you know, powerful people *were* raping kids on the island, but he specifically ***>didn't<*** keep records.
And you know what? There's just as much a reason to believe that's true too. Because what good is blackmail unless you use it? How many powerful people, over the years, fucked kids on the island, and Epstein showed them videos, and.... they did nothing about it? Why didn't they kill him sooner, then? Why would people keep going to the island, then? It's not like everyone involved would have had no idea who the fuck set that trap for them, lmao. "Oh look it's that very specific room I was in on a very specific island that's owned by a very specific person."
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Also I'm going to add that the allegations of a list and such came out before any of that stuff you mentioned.
>The victims testified that there are elite pedo sex cults and that Epstein recorded his clients with hidden cameras in the bedroom and bathroom.
Prove it. Last I checked, Virginia Guillifre provided names of people she met on the island and some she was trafficked to, but made no mention of any list. I mean, like literally how would any of them even fucking know this, lmao. This list and recordings were supposedly so secret that they're more secure than the chemical composition of FOGBANK.
How many whitehat hackers are out there, yet none of them managed to pry this list from any computer anywhere?
As a rule, I rarely believe anything 'witnesses' say, and there's a reason courts don't believe them either. Witnesses lie about shit *all the fucking time*.
Furthermore, what if someone testified there was no list? Would you believe *them?* The answer is 'no', because you only believe things when they tell you exactly what you like to hear, which is precisely the problem I stated originally.
Finally, if you believe in the Divine, then you have to accept that God certainly has a sense of humor, and history and reality are rife with impossible odds and coincidences and bizarre happenings. For all you know God is bored and just makes this shit happen to fuck with you.
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**EDIT:** Let me demonstrate this: "Were the cameras outside Epstein's cell working?"
The answer isn't 'no'. The only *possible* source for that story would be the FBI and the prison, and both of them said *most* of the cameras were offline - *but nobody ever said ALL of them were not working.*
It's that kind of memory-editing that makes witness testimony trash: your mind changes details. You, like many others, probably think you were told that all the cameras were offline. Nobody ever said that, only that *some* were.
And this brings me to another point. The story about the camera issues came from the FBI report. So you believe the FBI when they tell you something you want to hear (NO CAMERAS! OMG!) but not when they say something you don't want to hear.
Since I don't believe the government has secret technology that lets people phase through solid matter, it would hardly matter, because the camera issues were limited to the specific holding area Epstein was in. There were still a million other cameras across the prison, how is it that nobody has thought to inquire about the footage on *those* cameras showing Hillary Clinton wearing Groucho Marx glasses sneaking in with a ligature?
10 months ago7 points(+0/-0/+7Score on mirror)1 child
The victims testified under oath. If they lied, why aren't they in prison? Why instead was Epstein arrested and why is his wife still in prison? And the partial client list was leaked to WikiLeaks, you can go Google it yourself. If this list is a fraud, why isn't Julian Assange (or whoever runs WikiLeaks) charged with defamation and misinformation? A ton of multi-millionaire celebrities like Tom Hanks, Kevin Spacey, Jimmy Kimmel, etc. were already named.
- There was a list and the FBI has it.
- There was a list, and the FBI destroyed it.
- There was a list, and *someone else* destroyed it, after it entered FBI property but before it was indexed.
- There was a list, but Maxwell had remote access to Epstein's files and wiped it at some point after his arrest, so the FBI never found it.
- There was a list, but it was kept by Mossad in Israel, so the FBI never found it.
- There never was a list, any more than there is a 'list' for the Bohemian Grove or any other secret society.
In five of these six situations, the list is fucking gone. In four of them, the government actually never had the thing in the first place so to them, there never was a list.
And all of them are plausible.
As for Epstein, he was 66 years old and staring down charges and evidence that would've locked him up forever. He was a billionaire socialite used to getting his way. Entire believable he would've offed himself, chomos kill themselves after / during arrest all the time.
There's still no explanation for why Maxwell would 'know' these clients as much as Epstein did but nobody took her out. Not like there wasn't opportunity either, Maxwell disappeared for weeks after his arrest. And at the time everyone was saying she couldn't be found because she was dead too, until she turned up alive.
If there was a list, and he was killed by someone *on* the list, there's also no explanation for why he wasn't taken out all the same before that point. If someone had blackmail like that on you why would you let them hold it over you, if you had the power to do something about it, such that you were able to break in to a prison completely unseen, leaving not even one molecule of forensic evidence in your wake? You might as well claim Epstien was killed by a ghost.
Also, if there was a list, does the list have any value at all anymore as blackmail? It doesn't. Blackmail only works with a credible threat to release the information. If anyone released any of that information at this point, it would indicate that the Epstein list was real. The victims photographed, the furniture and architecture of where it happened, etc. all would indicate that there is a list and someone has it.
The list only works if nobody suspects Epstein. Also, why would you think all these people were being blackmailed by him, yet none of them at any point shared with each other: "stay away from Epstein, trust me"? They all just kept going, and nobody ever tried to wave anyone off so they weren't entrapped too?
Nobody's willing to blow up that can of worms. If there ever was a list, the list is useless and it's gone, which means, there is no list and epstein killed himself, and anything else is just making shit up, because you'll never ever get an answer at this point that would satisfy you, because what you really wish to hear isn't going to happen, ever.
10 months ago1 point(+0/-0/+1Score on mirror)2 children
You're forgetting a few possibilities.
The people involved in that pedophilia and human trafficking were willing participants. The "blackmail" (video) of the child rape (and worse) was only there to keep them in line, to keep supporting Israel, jews, and globohomo. You're assuming that our politicians only go alone with globohomo because of that blackmail, forgetting the most likely scenario that they're willing participants. Considering how many of our federal politicians are jews, this is the most likely scenario.
Furthermore, Epstein wasn't working alone, nor was Ghislaine Maxwell. They were both Mossad agents, and undoubtedly shared their intel with their organization. So, the list still exists, the videos still exist, the blackmail threat still exists, and the control mechanism still exists.
More importantly, is that the picture of the (supposedly) dead Epstein after he "suicided", had a completely different ear structure than the actual Epstein. This means that there's another possibility, that the "suicide" was staged to get Epstein out of prison, and give the government plausible deniability to drop the issue, lying to the public that the human trafficking, child rape, and blackmail scheme stopped.
You seem to be arguing that the list doesn't exist, and never did, because you're assuming that the people who are on that list would've killed Epstein long ago (before he was arrested), and would've warned others not to get blackmailed.
You're completely forgetting the entirety of the Pizzagate investigation, the massive amounts of evidence that laymen found of human trafficking, pedophilia, and ritual human sacrifice. You're forgetting all the other debacles of human trafficking, pedophilia, and ritual human sacrifice being uncovered previously, too. And, your position necessarily requires you to disbelieve every single victim and eye witness of these crimes. And, your position necessarily requires you to believe the government, Epstein, Maxwell, Mossad, politicians, and celebrities, that they're innocent and wouldn't do these things. And, your position requires you to believe the FBI and government officials now, but disbelieve what those exact same government officials said previously, that the list does exist and that Epstein was trafficking kids, blackmailing people, and recording them raping kids.
Okay this is all unrelated and is just explaining why a list could exist, or what it could be used for if it does. But it has no bearing on the initial question on if a list existed at all, or if it did exist, is the government lying about there being one or not.
Nobody can still navigate around the sticky wicket that *by all accounts and timelines*, the internet made up the idea of there being a list before anyone else. No investigation happened, no witnesses came forward, no trials, no testimony.
That means that no matter how remote the possibility, it still is *A* possibility that the internet made up the list, and now the internet is angry the list it made up doesn't exist, and six years of listening to this shit has permanently imprinted it in to your brain that there "must" be one. You don't remember how you first 'knew' about a list, only that you 'know' there is a list.
That's how memory works and it's why witness testimony is considered some of the weakest of all evidence.
>And, your position necessarily requires you to believe the government, Epstein, Maxwell, Mossad, politicians, and celebrities, that they're innocent and wouldn't do these things.
Versus believing who? People on the internet? Alex Jones? 4chan? This forum? Literally all of those lie exactly as much as the government. 4chan fucking invented Q, for fuck's sake. If we put this forum in charge of things, I have zero doubt that it would immediately engage in spinning countless fucking lies and manipulations and coverups of its own.
Everybody is lying about everything, everywhere, all the time. This forum regularly lies about stupid shit. [This was posted a few days ago](https://communities.win/c/ConsumeProduct/p/19BZl2DDza/x/c) and it is entirely fabricated. It's *obvious* it's fabricated, but look at the top comments... outrage and anger, over something that's painfully fake, because "I just want to be mad" emotional rage overrides your brains.
>the massive amounts of evidence that laymen found of human trafficking, pedophilia, and ritual human sacrifice.
How much of that massive amounts of evidence was actually evidence, and how much of it was you being psyopped into believing there was evidence, but there actually really wasn't, and you've lost track of what you were told but only remember *feeling* like there was evidence?
Even this article, which compiles as much of it as possible, fully admits that the evidence is all circumstantial. Creepy paintings and Maria Abrahamovic being a total degenerate doesn't constitute 'massive amounts' of evidence, but at this point, the internet has completely invented its own definition of evidence to compensate for conspiracy theorists being wrong about basically everything, so I have no idea what you mean by 'evidence'.
In my world, evidence is physical, testable, verifiable material links to events.
In the internet's world, "that one Sandy Hook guy had a weird look on his face for five frames that one time" is ironclad unquestionable evidence that "literally all of Sandy Hook was completely fake, nothing happened, there were no kids, there wasn't even a school, the entire town of Sandy Hook is not and never was real, and it was invented specifically so Obama could completely fail to pass any gun control laws, and if you think any of this is stupid, you're a nigger fed kike faggot shill."
You repeatedly malign ConPro, while using ConPro. You call us liars. You appeal to authority against us. You claim we're fooled and only believe the things we do because we want to believe them. You obfuscate clear issues that even laymen can see. You gaslight us into thinking obvious truths are false.
- Epstein had a real list.
- Everybody 'knows' there is a list and is expecting it.
- It was some kind of blackmail and domestic or foreign government operation.
- The government is evil.
If *all* of that is true, why wouldn't they just fabricate a fake list and release it? Fill the list with the names of their political enemies. Burn them. Doesn't matter if it's real or not, you're throwing people to be ravenously devoured by angry hordes.
Wouldn't that be the single most logical thing to do? So why didn't they do it?
Conspiracy theorists simultaneously think that their fellow conspiracy theorists are intelligent, truthful, and honest, while the government is irredeemably evil and everything it does is a lie.
Except we have a weird situation where conspiracy theorists are now in charge of the FBI.
And they're saying "guys, there's fuck-all here". They have no reason to do that, it's burning the credibility they had before the FBI, so why are they doing it? Like literally what if they actually went in to the job intent on exposing the truth, they got the truth, and it turns out... the conspiracy theorists were wrong yet again?
Frankly I think that the FBI is willing to """burn""" it's credibility saying there was no list may actually suggest they're genuinely being truthful here, because there's no reason for them to do it. Whether that list never existed, or it did but was destroyed before the FBI got it, why would they torpedo their own credibility in the face of something "everybody" thinks is real?
And given the enormous number of retarded conspiracies that outright ascribe genuinely godlike powers of omnipotence to the FBI and CIA, how do you reconcile that they can fabricate an entire elaborate scheme to fake a school shooting, but can't fake a list of names?
This is the same shit as the JFK files. For my entire fucking life the conspiracy theorists have demanded unredacted JFK files. They got them, and they didn't say what they wanted them to say, so they just stay mad and will die mad. Why the fuck did they even demand them in the first place if they were just going to believe whatever shit they wanted to believe?
This is how I've felt for years. You know what I wouldn't do if I was MOSSAD? Write down my blackmail list and give the country I'm blackmailing the list lmao. Epstein sold kids to whoever was paying for them, why would they write down "a list"? And if US politicians love ZOG (which they do) why bother blackmailing them?
And without even checking, I know for a fact that all of this was invented by exactly one of two entities - 4chan, and Alex Jones, both of which are retarded. Don't ever forget that 4chan invented Qanon, that's how "credible" their conspiracies are.
Everyone just repeated this so often to each other that it literally caused permanent brain alterations, and now everyone is convinced, in some kind of fucking Berenstain Bears-type event, that they 'know' it was real, but none of them can explain how they know it.
Even if you want to continue to believe there was a list, you cannot really say there is a guaranteed *zero percent* chance that there was no list - not unless you've become that comfortable with dishonesty and lying.
What if there actually was no 'list'? It would immediately take 'Arkancided' and 'Blackmail' off the table and the entire conspiracy collapses.
Nobody ever leaked fuck-all about a list. There was never once any official connection or refence to it. No document was ever found that referenced it, nothing of the sort.
Pam Bondi ran her yap and then invented some dumbfuck story about the SDNY, but she made that shit up as cover for her stupid "the files are on my desk!" nothingburger.
Guys, it's like "HAARP is weather control". That shit was literally made up to sell a book. No, seriously, dig in to it as hard as you can, you'll find nothing. No government document leaked. No whistleblower came forward. Not a single person in existence has ever even demonstrated a workable physics theory on how HAARP even works. It was *seriously* invented by a guy who made a living writing books about conspiracy theories. It's a fucking joke at this point but people are convinced that they "know" HAARP is weather control. They can't tell you where they heard it, or how they know, or how it even works. It's just fucking baked into their retarded firmware, and will be forever, until someone removes that part of their brain with a bullet.
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But everybody on the right just makes shit up (about EVERYTHING), then demands the release of files, and then files get released and if they don't tell you exactly whatever shit you made up in your head, you insist they're fake, and the idea that maybe you were actually wrong has become such an impossible feeling that I think it would cause some of you actual physical pain and mental anguish to accept it.
The fact that Ghislane Maxwell wasn't "suicided" alone blows a pretty fuckin' huge hole in the Epstein Didn't Kill Himself theory. You just have to make up even more unsubstantiated conjecture to explain it.
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Maybe... MAYBE... ***MAYBE*** sometimes there isn't fuck-all because there isn't fuck-all.
All of you were in mind-melting hysterics screaming for days. It's not like I can't find the threads of the absolute *meltdown* you all had. You were all *so convinced* that *this was it!*
Most of your own PERSONAL meltdown happened in this thread: https://communities.win/c/Conspiracies/p/19BGmGxv6s/top-post-on-patriotswin-fixed/c
And then what happened? Oh... literally nothing happened. How fucking embarrassing for you. "Zognald Trump does anything Israel tells him! We're going to die for Israel! World war 3!!!!"
You'll never explain how and why you whiffed so fucking hard on that one. You'll actively *avoid* ever explaining that one. You'll never admit you were wrong.
How fucking jewish of you, and of this entire movement. You want to know when I completely lost any and all respect for any of you? It was that day, when you all deep-throated a mile of muslim dick, defending Iran, and began crying about Gaza and shit.
And now you're going to just gaslight that that never happened, you'll cry in pain as you lash out, and you'll refuse to take any accountability for how completely fucking wrong you were about any of it.
And you have the gall to complain about jews after that dishonorable series of events?
lol yeah
>Which Americans died
Literally irrelevant, lol.
>This wasn't even a month ago and you're already trying to spin the narrative and tell us 'don't believe your lying eyes’?
What narrative? You’re the one who’s saying that wars don’t exist.
>All of you were in mind-melting hysterics screaming for days.
Sounds like you’re not one of us, then, isn’t it?
>You were all so convinced that this was it!
“It” being “the end of any reasonable person’s belief that Trump was an ‘anti-war’ president,” yeah.
>Most of your own PERSONAL meltdown happened in this thread
Could you at least learn the definitions of words before you use them?
>And then what happened? Oh... literally nothing happened.
>[Israel gets everything it wanted yet again]
>[nothing happened]
lol, go gaslight The_Donald if this is the best you can do.
>How fucking embarrassing for you. "Zognald Trump does anything Israel tells him!
Yeah, how embarrassing that… I was right.
>You'll never explain how and why you whiffed so fucking hard on that one.
Because… I didn’t?
>You'll actively avoid ever explaining that one.
I just explained it.
>You'll never admit you were wrong.
I wasn’t.
>How fucking jewish of you
To… not worship jews?
>and of this entire movement.
Of which you openly admit to not being a part, right?
>You want to know when I completely lost any and all respect for any of you
No. I don’t care. You don’t matter.
>OY VEY YOU ARE NIGGER BECAUSE YOU ARE NOT NIGGER
>OY VEY YOU SUPPORT THING YOU DON’T SUPPORT
>OY VEY YOU DO THING AND THEN YOU ADMIT YOU DO THING BUT YOU *DIDN’T* ADMIT YOU DO THING BECAUSE I *SAY* YOU DIDN’T
This is pretty amazing.
>And now you're going to just gaslight that that never happened
I’m openly stating that exactly what I wrote in your links is exactly what happened.
>you'll cry in pain as you lash out
Like you in this thread?
>and you'll refuse to take any accountability for how completely fucking wrong you were
I wasn’t wrong. Your own links prove it.
>And you have the gall to complain about jews after that dishonorable series of events?
And you have the gall to claim you’re not a jew after this “basic bitch” level of gaslighting?
edit: also, if this is all a nothingburger, then what was Epstein even arrested for? And why is his wife still in prison?
And exactly zero of any of that ever actually referenced any 'client list' or 'blackmail'. The best anyone came up with for evidence was 'this guy was photographed at a cocktail party with Epstein', and 'Here's a random flight log'.
Get mad all you want, we know this is the truth. If it wasn't, then any and every time anyone brought up the 'Epstein List', they'd be constantly referencing that evidence. But they don't, because there was nothing there.
Of course a lot of powerful people were in Epstein's orbit. He was a ridiculously wealthy socialite and had met pretty much everybody who ever had money or influence at one point or another.
Try to focus, we're talking specifically about him keeping a 'list' and 'blackmail'. For all you know, powerful people *were* raping kids on the island, but he specifically ***>didn't<*** keep records.
And you know what? There's just as much a reason to believe that's true too. Because what good is blackmail unless you use it? How many powerful people, over the years, fucked kids on the island, and Epstein showed them videos, and.... they did nothing about it? Why didn't they kill him sooner, then? Why would people keep going to the island, then? It's not like everyone involved would have had no idea who the fuck set that trap for them, lmao. "Oh look it's that very specific room I was in on a very specific island that's owned by a very specific person."
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Also I'm going to add that the allegations of a list and such came out before any of that stuff you mentioned.
Prove it. Last I checked, Virginia Guillifre provided names of people she met on the island and some she was trafficked to, but made no mention of any list. I mean, like literally how would any of them even fucking know this, lmao. This list and recordings were supposedly so secret that they're more secure than the chemical composition of FOGBANK.
How many whitehat hackers are out there, yet none of them managed to pry this list from any computer anywhere?
As a rule, I rarely believe anything 'witnesses' say, and there's a reason courts don't believe them either. Witnesses lie about shit *all the fucking time*.
Furthermore, what if someone testified there was no list? Would you believe *them?* The answer is 'no', because you only believe things when they tell you exactly what you like to hear, which is precisely the problem I stated originally.
Finally, if you believe in the Divine, then you have to accept that God certainly has a sense of humor, and history and reality are rife with impossible odds and coincidences and bizarre happenings. For all you know God is bored and just makes this shit happen to fuck with you.
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**EDIT:** Let me demonstrate this: "Were the cameras outside Epstein's cell working?"
The answer isn't 'no'. The only *possible* source for that story would be the FBI and the prison, and both of them said *most* of the cameras were offline - *but nobody ever said ALL of them were not working.*
It's that kind of memory-editing that makes witness testimony trash: your mind changes details. You, like many others, probably think you were told that all the cameras were offline. Nobody ever said that, only that *some* were.
And this brings me to another point. The story about the camera issues came from the FBI report. So you believe the FBI when they tell you something you want to hear (NO CAMERAS! OMG!) but not when they say something you don't want to hear.
Since I don't believe the government has secret technology that lets people phase through solid matter, it would hardly matter, because the camera issues were limited to the specific holding area Epstein was in. There were still a million other cameras across the prison, how is it that nobody has thought to inquire about the footage on *those* cameras showing Hillary Clinton wearing Groucho Marx glasses sneaking in with a ligature?
Soyence faggot.
1) Do you think there's no Epstein list of all of the politicians and celebrities that raped kids?
2) Do you think Epstein killed himself?
3) Do you think Epstein only trafficked kids and raped them, himself?
4) Do you think Mossad doesn't traffic people or blackmail our politicians with child rape?
- There was a list and the FBI has it.
- There was a list, and the FBI destroyed it.
- There was a list, and *someone else* destroyed it, after it entered FBI property but before it was indexed.
- There was a list, but Maxwell had remote access to Epstein's files and wiped it at some point after his arrest, so the FBI never found it.
- There was a list, but it was kept by Mossad in Israel, so the FBI never found it.
- There never was a list, any more than there is a 'list' for the Bohemian Grove or any other secret society.
In five of these six situations, the list is fucking gone. In four of them, the government actually never had the thing in the first place so to them, there never was a list.
And all of them are plausible.
As for Epstein, he was 66 years old and staring down charges and evidence that would've locked him up forever. He was a billionaire socialite used to getting his way. Entire believable he would've offed himself, chomos kill themselves after / during arrest all the time.
There's still no explanation for why Maxwell would 'know' these clients as much as Epstein did but nobody took her out. Not like there wasn't opportunity either, Maxwell disappeared for weeks after his arrest. And at the time everyone was saying she couldn't be found because she was dead too, until she turned up alive.
If there was a list, and he was killed by someone *on* the list, there's also no explanation for why he wasn't taken out all the same before that point. If someone had blackmail like that on you why would you let them hold it over you, if you had the power to do something about it, such that you were able to break in to a prison completely unseen, leaving not even one molecule of forensic evidence in your wake? You might as well claim Epstien was killed by a ghost.
Also, if there was a list, does the list have any value at all anymore as blackmail? It doesn't. Blackmail only works with a credible threat to release the information. If anyone released any of that information at this point, it would indicate that the Epstein list was real. The victims photographed, the furniture and architecture of where it happened, etc. all would indicate that there is a list and someone has it.
The list only works if nobody suspects Epstein. Also, why would you think all these people were being blackmailed by him, yet none of them at any point shared with each other: "stay away from Epstein, trust me"? They all just kept going, and nobody ever tried to wave anyone off so they weren't entrapped too?
Nobody's willing to blow up that can of worms. If there ever was a list, the list is useless and it's gone, which means, there is no list and epstein killed himself, and anything else is just making shit up, because you'll never ever get an answer at this point that would satisfy you, because what you really wish to hear isn't going to happen, ever.
The people involved in that pedophilia and human trafficking were willing participants. The "blackmail" (video) of the child rape (and worse) was only there to keep them in line, to keep supporting Israel, jews, and globohomo. You're assuming that our politicians only go alone with globohomo because of that blackmail, forgetting the most likely scenario that they're willing participants. Considering how many of our federal politicians are jews, this is the most likely scenario.
Furthermore, Epstein wasn't working alone, nor was Ghislaine Maxwell. They were both Mossad agents, and undoubtedly shared their intel with their organization. So, the list still exists, the videos still exist, the blackmail threat still exists, and the control mechanism still exists.
More importantly, is that the picture of the (supposedly) dead Epstein after he "suicided", had a completely different ear structure than the actual Epstein. This means that there's another possibility, that the "suicide" was staged to get Epstein out of prison, and give the government plausible deniability to drop the issue, lying to the public that the human trafficking, child rape, and blackmail scheme stopped.
You seem to be arguing that the list doesn't exist, and never did, because you're assuming that the people who are on that list would've killed Epstein long ago (before he was arrested), and would've warned others not to get blackmailed.
You're completely forgetting the entirety of the Pizzagate investigation, the massive amounts of evidence that laymen found of human trafficking, pedophilia, and ritual human sacrifice. You're forgetting all the other debacles of human trafficking, pedophilia, and ritual human sacrifice being uncovered previously, too. And, your position necessarily requires you to disbelieve every single victim and eye witness of these crimes. And, your position necessarily requires you to believe the government, Epstein, Maxwell, Mossad, politicians, and celebrities, that they're innocent and wouldn't do these things. And, your position requires you to believe the FBI and government officials now, but disbelieve what those exact same government officials said previously, that the list does exist and that Epstein was trafficking kids, blackmailing people, and recording them raping kids.
Nobody can still navigate around the sticky wicket that *by all accounts and timelines*, the internet made up the idea of there being a list before anyone else. No investigation happened, no witnesses came forward, no trials, no testimony.
That means that no matter how remote the possibility, it still is *A* possibility that the internet made up the list, and now the internet is angry the list it made up doesn't exist, and six years of listening to this shit has permanently imprinted it in to your brain that there "must" be one. You don't remember how you first 'knew' about a list, only that you 'know' there is a list.
That's how memory works and it's why witness testimony is considered some of the weakest of all evidence.
>And, your position necessarily requires you to believe the government, Epstein, Maxwell, Mossad, politicians, and celebrities, that they're innocent and wouldn't do these things.
Versus believing who? People on the internet? Alex Jones? 4chan? This forum? Literally all of those lie exactly as much as the government. 4chan fucking invented Q, for fuck's sake. If we put this forum in charge of things, I have zero doubt that it would immediately engage in spinning countless fucking lies and manipulations and coverups of its own.
Everybody is lying about everything, everywhere, all the time. This forum regularly lies about stupid shit. [This was posted a few days ago](https://communities.win/c/ConsumeProduct/p/19BZl2DDza/x/c) and it is entirely fabricated. It's *obvious* it's fabricated, but look at the top comments... outrage and anger, over something that's painfully fake, because "I just want to be mad" emotional rage overrides your brains.
>the massive amounts of evidence that laymen found of human trafficking, pedophilia, and ritual human sacrifice.
How much of that massive amounts of evidence was actually evidence, and how much of it was you being psyopped into believing there was evidence, but there actually really wasn't, and you've lost track of what you were told but only remember *feeling* like there was evidence?
https://historyheist.com/pizzagate-the-coded-podesta-emails-pedophile-pizza-restaurants-hillary-clinton-satanic-ritual-sacrifice/3/
Even this article, which compiles as much of it as possible, fully admits that the evidence is all circumstantial. Creepy paintings and Maria Abrahamovic being a total degenerate doesn't constitute 'massive amounts' of evidence, but at this point, the internet has completely invented its own definition of evidence to compensate for conspiracy theorists being wrong about basically everything, so I have no idea what you mean by 'evidence'.
In my world, evidence is physical, testable, verifiable material links to events.
In the internet's world, "that one Sandy Hook guy had a weird look on his face for five frames that one time" is ironclad unquestionable evidence that "literally all of Sandy Hook was completely fake, nothing happened, there were no kids, there wasn't even a school, the entire town of Sandy Hook is not and never was real, and it was invented specifically so Obama could completely fail to pass any gun control laws, and if you think any of this is stupid, you're a nigger fed kike faggot shill."
Why are you here?
- Epstein had a real list.
- Everybody 'knows' there is a list and is expecting it.
- It was some kind of blackmail and domestic or foreign government operation.
- The government is evil.
If *all* of that is true, why wouldn't they just fabricate a fake list and release it? Fill the list with the names of their political enemies. Burn them. Doesn't matter if it's real or not, you're throwing people to be ravenously devoured by angry hordes.
Wouldn't that be the single most logical thing to do? So why didn't they do it?
Conspiracy theorists simultaneously think that their fellow conspiracy theorists are intelligent, truthful, and honest, while the government is irredeemably evil and everything it does is a lie.
Except we have a weird situation where conspiracy theorists are now in charge of the FBI.
And they're saying "guys, there's fuck-all here". They have no reason to do that, it's burning the credibility they had before the FBI, so why are they doing it? Like literally what if they actually went in to the job intent on exposing the truth, they got the truth, and it turns out... the conspiracy theorists were wrong yet again?
Frankly I think that the FBI is willing to """burn""" it's credibility saying there was no list may actually suggest they're genuinely being truthful here, because there's no reason for them to do it. Whether that list never existed, or it did but was destroyed before the FBI got it, why would they torpedo their own credibility in the face of something "everybody" thinks is real?
And given the enormous number of retarded conspiracies that outright ascribe genuinely godlike powers of omnipotence to the FBI and CIA, how do you reconcile that they can fabricate an entire elaborate scheme to fake a school shooting, but can't fake a list of names?
This is the same shit as the JFK files. For my entire fucking life the conspiracy theorists have demanded unredacted JFK files. They got them, and they didn't say what they wanted them to say, so they just stay mad and will die mad. Why the fuck did they even demand them in the first place if they were just going to believe whatever shit they wanted to believe?