- There was a list and the FBI has it.
- There was a list, and the FBI destroyed it.
- There was a list, and *someone else* destroyed it, after it entered FBI property but before it was indexed.
- There was a list, but Maxwell had remote access to Epstein's files and wiped it at some point after his arrest, so the FBI never found it.
- There was a list, but it was kept by Mossad in Israel, so the FBI never found it.
- There never was a list, any more than there is a 'list' for the Bohemian Grove or any other secret society.
In five of these six situations, the list is fucking gone. In four of them, the government actually never had the thing in the first place so to them, there never was a list.
And all of them are plausible.
As for Epstein, he was 66 years old and staring down charges and evidence that would've locked him up forever. He was a billionaire socialite used to getting his way. Entire believable he would've offed himself, chomos kill themselves after / during arrest all the time.
There's still no explanation for why Maxwell would 'know' these clients as much as Epstein did but nobody took her out. Not like there wasn't opportunity either, Maxwell disappeared for weeks after his arrest. And at the time everyone was saying she couldn't be found because she was dead too, until she turned up alive.
If there was a list, and he was killed by someone *on* the list, there's also no explanation for why he wasn't taken out all the same before that point. If someone had blackmail like that on you why would you let them hold it over you, if you had the power to do something about it, such that you were able to break in to a prison completely unseen, leaving not even one molecule of forensic evidence in your wake? You might as well claim Epstien was killed by a ghost.
Also, if there was a list, does the list have any value at all anymore as blackmail? It doesn't. Blackmail only works with a credible threat to release the information. If anyone released any of that information at this point, it would indicate that the Epstein list was real. The victims photographed, the furniture and architecture of where it happened, etc. all would indicate that there is a list and someone has it.
The list only works if nobody suspects Epstein. Also, why would you think all these people were being blackmailed by him, yet none of them at any point shared with each other: "stay away from Epstein, trust me"? They all just kept going, and nobody ever tried to wave anyone off so they weren't entrapped too?
Nobody's willing to blow up that can of worms. If there ever was a list, the list is useless and it's gone, which means, there is no list and epstein killed himself, and anything else is just making shit up, because you'll never ever get an answer at this point that would satisfy you, because what you really wish to hear isn't going to happen, ever.
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You're forgetting a few possibilities.
The people involved in that pedophilia and human trafficking were willing participants. The "blackmail" (video) of the child rape (and worse) was only there to keep them in line, to keep supporting Israel, jews, and globohomo. You're assuming that our politicians only go alone with globohomo because of that blackmail, forgetting the most likely scenario that they're willing participants. Considering how many of our federal politicians are jews, this is the most likely scenario.
Furthermore, Epstein wasn't working alone, nor was Ghislaine Maxwell. They were both Mossad agents, and undoubtedly shared their intel with their organization. So, the list still exists, the videos still exist, the blackmail threat still exists, and the control mechanism still exists.
More importantly, is that the picture of the (supposedly) dead Epstein after he "suicided", had a completely different ear structure than the actual Epstein. This means that there's another possibility, that the "suicide" was staged to get Epstein out of prison, and give the government plausible deniability to drop the issue, lying to the public that the human trafficking, child rape, and blackmail scheme stopped.
You seem to be arguing that the list doesn't exist, and never did, because you're assuming that the people who are on that list would've killed Epstein long ago (before he was arrested), and would've warned others not to get blackmailed.
You're completely forgetting the entirety of the Pizzagate investigation, the massive amounts of evidence that laymen found of human trafficking, pedophilia, and ritual human sacrifice. You're forgetting all the other debacles of human trafficking, pedophilia, and ritual human sacrifice being uncovered previously, too. And, your position necessarily requires you to disbelieve every single victim and eye witness of these crimes. And, your position necessarily requires you to believe the government, Epstein, Maxwell, Mossad, politicians, and celebrities, that they're innocent and wouldn't do these things. And, your position requires you to believe the FBI and government officials now, but disbelieve what those exact same government officials said previously, that the list does exist and that Epstein was trafficking kids, blackmailing people, and recording them raping kids.
Okay this is all unrelated and is just explaining why a list could exist, or what it could be used for if it does. But it has no bearing on the initial question on if a list existed at all, or if it did exist, is the government lying about there being one or not.
Nobody can still navigate around the sticky wicket that *by all accounts and timelines*, the internet made up the idea of there being a list before anyone else. No investigation happened, no witnesses came forward, no trials, no testimony.
That means that no matter how remote the possibility, it still is *A* possibility that the internet made up the list, and now the internet is angry the list it made up doesn't exist, and six years of listening to this shit has permanently imprinted it in to your brain that there "must" be one. You don't remember how you first 'knew' about a list, only that you 'know' there is a list.
That's how memory works and it's why witness testimony is considered some of the weakest of all evidence.
>And, your position necessarily requires you to believe the government, Epstein, Maxwell, Mossad, politicians, and celebrities, that they're innocent and wouldn't do these things.
Versus believing who? People on the internet? Alex Jones? 4chan? This forum? Literally all of those lie exactly as much as the government. 4chan fucking invented Q, for fuck's sake. If we put this forum in charge of things, I have zero doubt that it would immediately engage in spinning countless fucking lies and manipulations and coverups of its own.
Everybody is lying about everything, everywhere, all the time. This forum regularly lies about stupid shit. [This was posted a few days ago](https://communities.win/c/ConsumeProduct/p/19BZl2DDza/x/c) and it is entirely fabricated. It's *obvious* it's fabricated, but look at the top comments... outrage and anger, over something that's painfully fake, because "I just want to be mad" emotional rage overrides your brains.
>the massive amounts of evidence that laymen found of human trafficking, pedophilia, and ritual human sacrifice.
How much of that massive amounts of evidence was actually evidence, and how much of it was you being psyopped into believing there was evidence, but there actually really wasn't, and you've lost track of what you were told but only remember *feeling* like there was evidence?
Even this article, which compiles as much of it as possible, fully admits that the evidence is all circumstantial. Creepy paintings and Maria Abrahamovic being a total degenerate doesn't constitute 'massive amounts' of evidence, but at this point, the internet has completely invented its own definition of evidence to compensate for conspiracy theorists being wrong about basically everything, so I have no idea what you mean by 'evidence'.
In my world, evidence is physical, testable, verifiable material links to events.
In the internet's world, "that one Sandy Hook guy had a weird look on his face for five frames that one time" is ironclad unquestionable evidence that "literally all of Sandy Hook was completely fake, nothing happened, there were no kids, there wasn't even a school, the entire town of Sandy Hook is not and never was real, and it was invented specifically so Obama could completely fail to pass any gun control laws, and if you think any of this is stupid, you're a nigger fed kike faggot shill."
You repeatedly malign ConPro, while using ConPro. You call us liars. You appeal to authority against us. You claim we're fooled and only believe the things we do because we want to believe them. You obfuscate clear issues that even laymen can see. You gaslight us into thinking obvious truths are false.
- Epstein had a real list.
- Everybody 'knows' there is a list and is expecting it.
- It was some kind of blackmail and domestic or foreign government operation.
- The government is evil.
If *all* of that is true, why wouldn't they just fabricate a fake list and release it? Fill the list with the names of their political enemies. Burn them. Doesn't matter if it's real or not, you're throwing people to be ravenously devoured by angry hordes.
Wouldn't that be the single most logical thing to do? So why didn't they do it?
Conspiracy theorists simultaneously think that their fellow conspiracy theorists are intelligent, truthful, and honest, while the government is irredeemably evil and everything it does is a lie.
Except we have a weird situation where conspiracy theorists are now in charge of the FBI.
And they're saying "guys, there's fuck-all here". They have no reason to do that, it's burning the credibility they had before the FBI, so why are they doing it? Like literally what if they actually went in to the job intent on exposing the truth, they got the truth, and it turns out... the conspiracy theorists were wrong yet again?
Frankly I think that the FBI is willing to """burn""" it's credibility saying there was no list may actually suggest they're genuinely being truthful here, because there's no reason for them to do it. Whether that list never existed, or it did but was destroyed before the FBI got it, why would they torpedo their own credibility in the face of something "everybody" thinks is real?
And given the enormous number of retarded conspiracies that outright ascribe genuinely godlike powers of omnipotence to the FBI and CIA, how do you reconcile that they can fabricate an entire elaborate scheme to fake a school shooting, but can't fake a list of names?
This is the same shit as the JFK files. For my entire fucking life the conspiracy theorists have demanded unredacted JFK files. They got them, and they didn't say what they wanted them to say, so they just stay mad and will die mad. Why the fuck did they even demand them in the first place if they were just going to believe whatever shit they wanted to believe?
1) Do you think there's no Epstein list of all of the politicians and celebrities that raped kids?
2) Do you think Epstein killed himself?
3) Do you think Epstein only trafficked kids and raped them, himself?
4) Do you think Mossad doesn't traffic people or blackmail our politicians with child rape?
- There was a list and the FBI has it.
- There was a list, and the FBI destroyed it.
- There was a list, and *someone else* destroyed it, after it entered FBI property but before it was indexed.
- There was a list, but Maxwell had remote access to Epstein's files and wiped it at some point after his arrest, so the FBI never found it.
- There was a list, but it was kept by Mossad in Israel, so the FBI never found it.
- There never was a list, any more than there is a 'list' for the Bohemian Grove or any other secret society.
In five of these six situations, the list is fucking gone. In four of them, the government actually never had the thing in the first place so to them, there never was a list.
And all of them are plausible.
As for Epstein, he was 66 years old and staring down charges and evidence that would've locked him up forever. He was a billionaire socialite used to getting his way. Entire believable he would've offed himself, chomos kill themselves after / during arrest all the time.
There's still no explanation for why Maxwell would 'know' these clients as much as Epstein did but nobody took her out. Not like there wasn't opportunity either, Maxwell disappeared for weeks after his arrest. And at the time everyone was saying she couldn't be found because she was dead too, until she turned up alive.
If there was a list, and he was killed by someone *on* the list, there's also no explanation for why he wasn't taken out all the same before that point. If someone had blackmail like that on you why would you let them hold it over you, if you had the power to do something about it, such that you were able to break in to a prison completely unseen, leaving not even one molecule of forensic evidence in your wake? You might as well claim Epstien was killed by a ghost.
Also, if there was a list, does the list have any value at all anymore as blackmail? It doesn't. Blackmail only works with a credible threat to release the information. If anyone released any of that information at this point, it would indicate that the Epstein list was real. The victims photographed, the furniture and architecture of where it happened, etc. all would indicate that there is a list and someone has it.
The list only works if nobody suspects Epstein. Also, why would you think all these people were being blackmailed by him, yet none of them at any point shared with each other: "stay away from Epstein, trust me"? They all just kept going, and nobody ever tried to wave anyone off so they weren't entrapped too?
Nobody's willing to blow up that can of worms. If there ever was a list, the list is useless and it's gone, which means, there is no list and epstein killed himself, and anything else is just making shit up, because you'll never ever get an answer at this point that would satisfy you, because what you really wish to hear isn't going to happen, ever.
The people involved in that pedophilia and human trafficking were willing participants. The "blackmail" (video) of the child rape (and worse) was only there to keep them in line, to keep supporting Israel, jews, and globohomo. You're assuming that our politicians only go alone with globohomo because of that blackmail, forgetting the most likely scenario that they're willing participants. Considering how many of our federal politicians are jews, this is the most likely scenario.
Furthermore, Epstein wasn't working alone, nor was Ghislaine Maxwell. They were both Mossad agents, and undoubtedly shared their intel with their organization. So, the list still exists, the videos still exist, the blackmail threat still exists, and the control mechanism still exists.
More importantly, is that the picture of the (supposedly) dead Epstein after he "suicided", had a completely different ear structure than the actual Epstein. This means that there's another possibility, that the "suicide" was staged to get Epstein out of prison, and give the government plausible deniability to drop the issue, lying to the public that the human trafficking, child rape, and blackmail scheme stopped.
You seem to be arguing that the list doesn't exist, and never did, because you're assuming that the people who are on that list would've killed Epstein long ago (before he was arrested), and would've warned others not to get blackmailed.
You're completely forgetting the entirety of the Pizzagate investigation, the massive amounts of evidence that laymen found of human trafficking, pedophilia, and ritual human sacrifice. You're forgetting all the other debacles of human trafficking, pedophilia, and ritual human sacrifice being uncovered previously, too. And, your position necessarily requires you to disbelieve every single victim and eye witness of these crimes. And, your position necessarily requires you to believe the government, Epstein, Maxwell, Mossad, politicians, and celebrities, that they're innocent and wouldn't do these things. And, your position requires you to believe the FBI and government officials now, but disbelieve what those exact same government officials said previously, that the list does exist and that Epstein was trafficking kids, blackmailing people, and recording them raping kids.
Nobody can still navigate around the sticky wicket that *by all accounts and timelines*, the internet made up the idea of there being a list before anyone else. No investigation happened, no witnesses came forward, no trials, no testimony.
That means that no matter how remote the possibility, it still is *A* possibility that the internet made up the list, and now the internet is angry the list it made up doesn't exist, and six years of listening to this shit has permanently imprinted it in to your brain that there "must" be one. You don't remember how you first 'knew' about a list, only that you 'know' there is a list.
That's how memory works and it's why witness testimony is considered some of the weakest of all evidence.
>And, your position necessarily requires you to believe the government, Epstein, Maxwell, Mossad, politicians, and celebrities, that they're innocent and wouldn't do these things.
Versus believing who? People on the internet? Alex Jones? 4chan? This forum? Literally all of those lie exactly as much as the government. 4chan fucking invented Q, for fuck's sake. If we put this forum in charge of things, I have zero doubt that it would immediately engage in spinning countless fucking lies and manipulations and coverups of its own.
Everybody is lying about everything, everywhere, all the time. This forum regularly lies about stupid shit. [This was posted a few days ago](https://communities.win/c/ConsumeProduct/p/19BZl2DDza/x/c) and it is entirely fabricated. It's *obvious* it's fabricated, but look at the top comments... outrage and anger, over something that's painfully fake, because "I just want to be mad" emotional rage overrides your brains.
>the massive amounts of evidence that laymen found of human trafficking, pedophilia, and ritual human sacrifice.
How much of that massive amounts of evidence was actually evidence, and how much of it was you being psyopped into believing there was evidence, but there actually really wasn't, and you've lost track of what you were told but only remember *feeling* like there was evidence?
https://historyheist.com/pizzagate-the-coded-podesta-emails-pedophile-pizza-restaurants-hillary-clinton-satanic-ritual-sacrifice/3/
Even this article, which compiles as much of it as possible, fully admits that the evidence is all circumstantial. Creepy paintings and Maria Abrahamovic being a total degenerate doesn't constitute 'massive amounts' of evidence, but at this point, the internet has completely invented its own definition of evidence to compensate for conspiracy theorists being wrong about basically everything, so I have no idea what you mean by 'evidence'.
In my world, evidence is physical, testable, verifiable material links to events.
In the internet's world, "that one Sandy Hook guy had a weird look on his face for five frames that one time" is ironclad unquestionable evidence that "literally all of Sandy Hook was completely fake, nothing happened, there were no kids, there wasn't even a school, the entire town of Sandy Hook is not and never was real, and it was invented specifically so Obama could completely fail to pass any gun control laws, and if you think any of this is stupid, you're a nigger fed kike faggot shill."
Why are you here?
- Epstein had a real list.
- Everybody 'knows' there is a list and is expecting it.
- It was some kind of blackmail and domestic or foreign government operation.
- The government is evil.
If *all* of that is true, why wouldn't they just fabricate a fake list and release it? Fill the list with the names of their political enemies. Burn them. Doesn't matter if it's real or not, you're throwing people to be ravenously devoured by angry hordes.
Wouldn't that be the single most logical thing to do? So why didn't they do it?
Conspiracy theorists simultaneously think that their fellow conspiracy theorists are intelligent, truthful, and honest, while the government is irredeemably evil and everything it does is a lie.
Except we have a weird situation where conspiracy theorists are now in charge of the FBI.
And they're saying "guys, there's fuck-all here". They have no reason to do that, it's burning the credibility they had before the FBI, so why are they doing it? Like literally what if they actually went in to the job intent on exposing the truth, they got the truth, and it turns out... the conspiracy theorists were wrong yet again?
Frankly I think that the FBI is willing to """burn""" it's credibility saying there was no list may actually suggest they're genuinely being truthful here, because there's no reason for them to do it. Whether that list never existed, or it did but was destroyed before the FBI got it, why would they torpedo their own credibility in the face of something "everybody" thinks is real?
And given the enormous number of retarded conspiracies that outright ascribe genuinely godlike powers of omnipotence to the FBI and CIA, how do you reconcile that they can fabricate an entire elaborate scheme to fake a school shooting, but can't fake a list of names?
This is the same shit as the JFK files. For my entire fucking life the conspiracy theorists have demanded unredacted JFK files. They got them, and they didn't say what they wanted them to say, so they just stay mad and will die mad. Why the fuck did they even demand them in the first place if they were just going to believe whatever shit they wanted to believe?