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There is this notion, popularized by the alt-right movement, that we will meme our ideas into existence and then, somehow, our new supporters will coalesce into a new version of the Nazi party. When the inevitable collapse hits, these people think that their group will sieze power. In short, they believe that history will repeat itself and give us a second chance. This idea is flawed for a few reasons, and i will list them out below.
  
1)The first issue is that of the power structure that we operate under. In the 1930's there were still many reactionary elements present in European governments, and there were even some working monarchies in place. The elites were willing to turn a blind eye to the fascists because they saw them as an antidote to the far left insurgents. Nowadays, our elites share many views with those far left insurgents. The elites do not want you to succeed. The elites have set up whole agencies that are tasked with stopping any sort of centralized movementarians. We have seen the effects of such a strategy clearly in the generation identity movement. The movement was doing very well, their numbers were swelling, but then their symbols were banned from public, their members were harrased, and most importantly, they were kicked off of social media.
  
2)In line with #1, the social media companies, which are property of the elites, are vital to the alt-right strategy. On social media platforms, you can find masses of normies in a situation that is perfect for propaganda. What a perfect place to send your memes(propanda) and change the minds of the normies, right? Well, the elites are also very well aware of this, and for this reason, they will do all that they can to deplatform you. They will call your memes hate speech. they will ban your accounts. they will destroy your communities. Your whole campaign will fizzle away, and in its place, the social media platform will be tweaked to showcase left wing propaganda. Also, since you were mostly posting memes, people dont have any substantial beliefs, so they will jump to the different thing for many different reasons(normies tend to have ephemeral views in this regard). Now they are forced to try and meme on alt-media, which sadly has a much smaller audience. Now, i do think that social media has its place in spreading right wing propaganda, but the alt-right went about this in the most inefficient way possible.
  
  
  
3)How do people go from snickering at memes online to actually organizing? Afterall, power = organization + money. We need some way to jump the bridge, and i saw no suggested solutions.
  
4)I think that the biggest argument against this strategy is the fact that it failed right before our eyes. We saw this rise from gamergate to its gradual decline after the election of trump. Now, its effectively dead
  
We need something that will actually get us serious people, who are organized and provide a viable alternative during the convergence of catastrophes. You can already see the solution, and it is largely the parallel society and decentralized resistance. These are proven techniques that have worked in countries like Poland, Palestine, Israel, America, the SA, South Africa, and the list goes on
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2 years ago 2 points (+3 / -1 ) 1 child
idk if there is a strategy or altright tbh fam
 
also while some of your criticism sounds valid there's a lot of things breaking in "official stories" that are waking people up and I see countless redpills circulating on normie social media so idk it's a tossup I'd be neither a doomer nor delusionally optimistic
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2 years ago 2 points (+2 / -0 ) Edited 2022-03-09 13:50:07
By alt right, i was referring to the whole movement started by richard spencer and gamergate, but yeah, its not the best term ill admit. Either way, this is the general half-baked strategy i saw, and still floating around a lot of these circles.
      
I was arguing against the idea of using memes, basing your whole movement on it, straight natsoc content(too strong for normies) and edgy content to wake up normies. Much of the redpills you see circulating on social media are not stamped out because they are so dynamic and they dont trigger any hate speech detectors. Like i said before, we should not give up on social media, but we should have a nuanced approach with some humor thrown in.
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2 years ago 2 points (+2 / -0 )
Many times I find myself thinking: "Oh there is definitely some _real_ dissidents out there, training, doing based shit, forming communities. But they are off grid so I don't know about it".
 
This could be true, or this website could be the literal vanguard.
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2 years ago 2 points (+2 / -0 )
There is a further matter to this question, and that is the people's willingness to act , once they know, and also their ability to do so.
 
The "we just" people think that no preparation is necessary to have a chance of victory in the International Struggle.
 
They say "soon" this will happen, "no doubt about it", sounds like Q cope to me.
 
I am not going to wait for a what if movement, I am going to act, and do that which is in my power, and also that is appropriate for the stage we were at. If I fail, it's on me, but I will not blame my failure on an obsolete "what if" moment.
 
 
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2 years ago 1 point (+1 / -0 )
good post.
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2 years ago 1 point (+1 / -0 ) 1 child
What you mentioned in the second to last line failed due to the powers controlling social media clamping down. That strategy won't work anymore, I agree.
  
My own thoughts on this is that posting our "based memes" on sites such as this are pointless, because if one is already here, then they are already on our side. The point of "memeing" is to do it in the main social medias; to try and throw the curtain open for as many people as possible, to make the people who were waiting for that one last push to make their decision. Almost all of the normies simply won't "convert", you can't do that; they follow whatever power is in place. Places such as this should be for theory crafting, organising, and community for those who made it here. This is where I think consumeproduct on win went wrong; all they did was meme. There was the occasional helpful post, but they were drowned out.
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2 years ago 0 points (+0 / -0 )
I have a conspiracy theory that various shills and leftists spammed the site with memes and pointless drama to stop conpro from turning into what you described in your last sentence.
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2 years ago 2 points (+2 / -0 ) 1 child
> encourage the collapse, and kill your enemies during the chaos
 
In other words, don't do anything at all, except for meme... Then do something that has never been done, with no preparation, organization, infrastructure, or wealth.
 
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2 years ago 1 point (+1 / -0 ) 1 child
Nowhere did i mention trying to play the political game. The only place where politicking could work is in local politics. The whole purpose of the parallelsociety and decentralized resistance is to grant us power and to have a viable alternative left standing after the collapse. To say things like, "kill your enemies during the chaos" without any semblance of a plan is pure larp.
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2 years ago 1 point (+1 / -0 ) Edited 2022-03-11 11:57:14
Jews arent a species of omnipotent beings. Do they infiltrate absolutely everything? The parallelsociety(as well as decentralized resistance) is not distributed, but rather decentralized and we will have control over it with internal filters built in, propaganda, software solutions and all that. As i said in the OP, this has worked countless times and there are ways around subverters. Anyways, I would say that this sort of thinking could be called failure fallacy. Just because something could go wrong doesnt mean that we ought not to do it. This sort of thinking is debilitating and causes people to do nothing.
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