I was thinking about niggers and how they can't entertain hypotheticals ("how would you feel if you didn't eat breakfast?"), and as I walked my dog I thought the question is too mundane to even answer. The stupid answer would be "I'd be hungry", but actually it depends. What if you didn't eat because you weren't hungry? You'd feel nothing unusual. Would I rank the same as a nigger solely because I didn't give the good boy answer?
So I wanted to ask you a hypothetical, that is a bit more sophisticated. Let's say WWII did break out, but the US didn't intervene because they didn't get an excuse to do so via Pearl Harbor. That didn't happen, Germany and Japan would be just friends and not officially allies. France was defeated, Britain agreed to peace, and the Soviet Union was successfully averted using Sarin gas as a threat to not attack Germany. Germany didn't march eastward, so the territory they had was Germany and its former territories prior to WWI (half of Poland) and Austria. The situation stabilized, the strains of WWII were significant. Let's say nukes got invented by the US and Germany, and the Soviets (through jewish spies) managed to build them later on too.
So the hypothetical: **How would the world develop over the next century?** What would we see today? What about feminism, leftism, big corporations ran by jews, media ran by jews, LLMs, corporate culture, the economy? What would be the best-case scenario, the worst-case scenario and/or the average-case scenario?
I would like to hear what you think about this.
I've actually considered this before and my conclusion isn't what most NatSocs like...
I think for the most part things like feminism and leftism would have developed naturally. IMO, these are brought on by high-taxes and social programs. The NatSocs were quite socialist with many social programs that if they weren't branded Nazis, would have leftists today envious of. I think these types of programs and the high taxes needed to support these programs would have led the German society down a similar leftist path including feminism that we see today and I don't think the Nazi over the last century would have been in a position to counter it because as new leadership came into power, these younger people would have grown up with similar ideals bred by the high taxes and high social program society.
I do think there would be some significant differences. I think the amount of waste and corruption overall in the system would be lesser. A lot of waste and corruption today can be traced to the fact jews have been in charge and they've been trying to push their own agenda while not caring about the masses of Whites. With a White ethnostate, I think you'd have less of this. Still, I think the overall allocation of resources in a NatSoc society would be quite inequitable and not optimal.
However, due to less overall corruption and waste, I think things like DEI and a lot of regulation that stifles competition leading to large government bloat might have been avoided to the extent that we see it here, especially since a lot of DEI+ bloat is designed to harm Whites and push jewish agendas, something a Nazi state would not have taken part in.
I think you'd have seen Germany rise above all other European nations by a significant amount. Things like Hollywood would have had a direct German competitor that would have rivaled Hollywood even to this day. I think English would not have become as dominant as a language as it were today. I also think Germany may have conquered the middle-east eventually rather than Russia because nuclear weapons (which Germany would have acquired as well) were prevalent because Germany would have wanted direct access to O&G rather than rely on trade for it. There's a chance Pakistan would not have acquired nukes. Israel would not have been created. This would have allowed Germany free-reign to conquer the middle-east for its O&G.
I think because Israel would not have been created, jews would have dialed in harder to usurping the USA as their homeland. I think the USA would be even more judaised than it is today if Germany had have won.
I also think that with Germany winning the war, the push to end nationalism would not have occurred to the same effect. I don't think White countries would have been tricked by jews into opening up immigration as quickly or readily. I think over-time though, changes in birth rates due to social programs and feminism would have caused countries to push for immigration and Germany would have pushed for it also but the high nationalistic and race-based foundation of the Empire would have made the extent of the immigration significantly less than what we see today.
So overall I think this is what you get:
- Feminism still rises in Germany and all problems associated with that are still a problem
- The middle-east no longer becomes a battleground for jews to push their foreign policy with America as their attack dog but becomes territories of the German Empire
- German rises in importance as much as English for international affairs
- German society maintains its mostly White German population; however, growing pressures to relax that in recent times is starting to show
- The USA becomes even more judaised than it currently is as jews basically try stealing the country for their own "Israel" in lieu of getting an Israel made for them.
If you are a White man, you would likely do better today in a Nazi Germany that won WWII than you would do today in any Western country; however, there would still be a lot of problems stemming from feminism, high taxes, social programs and a weakening of the younger generation's desire for racial purity leading to more leftism social policies being pushed in German politics. The USA would be worse off than it is today. Europe as a whole would be better off. Russia would be worse off. The middle-east would be better off thanks to German management but would lack sovereignty as Germany would essentially control them. Japan would be better off. China would be worse off.
Worst case scenario: There is a possibility that even if Nazis won, after some decades leftists would have emerged due to factors like advancements of technology, influences from Russia and the West, and taken power. With that, the jew returns, and at best the development of politics would be similar to today, but merely delayed.
The very fact that Germany rose from absolute poverty and misery over a short span of time by solving the jewish problem (removing them from positions of power, influence and finance) would signal to all other countries that the secret recipe to extreme prosperity is to solve their jewish problems as well. Plus Germany would have actively influenced other countries as well. This would have to an improvement of relations across the West with Germany, and at least a partial move to restrict jews from committing usury and push their ideologies. This would cause leftism as a whole to be delayed by more decades at least.
The Germans weren't quite as oppressive as people like to believe. It's possible that they would be the good guys taking hold in the Middle East and Africa, with a questionable adherence to brownoids. They would be liked by Arabs and niggers alike. All it takes is someone in the line of leadership across decades to be weak and say that perhaps immigration of brownoids isn't so bad. And once it went relatively well with the better ones (who aren't raping savages), some lefty in charge would then haul in a lot more for whatever reason. Hitler did no permanent solutions after all - but to be fair, he later might have. But nobody could have predicted the sheer madness we have today.
Then there is the jewish factor. If we assume the jewish problem was never solved in the West and East, it is reasonable to assume that they would continue to propagandize, manipulate, subvert in order to get power and remain in power. Their best option would be to remain hidden, to stay behind the curtains (more than today), to silently hold the reigns by running the central banking system and finance Whites to do their bidding via bribery (lobbyism). So the differences would be just a delay of decades of the same things we have today.
Best case scenario: It is possible that as other countries got inspired by Germany's solution to the jewish question, they would have developed more radical solutions, even actual genocides. It could be that Germany would be just the first of many to come, and as other countries solved their jewish problems, it would spread like wildfire. Even Britain and the US would drag their feet to defend their jews - so while they do not have active solutions to the jewish problems, they do not really stop them either. This would lead to a significant decrease in leftist policies that could reach even centuries of delay. Your most leftist person believes that niggers are so inferior that they need to be pampered (in a charitable, Christian sense) (while they are far away) so that maybe they evolve into something resembling humans one day (just another irrational belief). Through this, it's possible that various Western countries would prosper and that world peace could be achieved... well, the part of the world that is relevant.
The reason Germany rose to power isn't because they got rid of the Jew. That's a modern Nazi (White Nationalist) propaganda take. The real reason is because the USA lent tend of billions to Germany to invest in industrialization so Germany's income cause rise high enough to afford to pay their reparations to try and avoid a second world war that France seemed poised to start over the reparations issue. Then, Hitler decided to stop repaying the reparation and the debt to the Americans. This led to reactions on the world stage leading to economic/trade sanctions which spurred Hitler to become completely resource independent of the rest of the world which is what led to him going to war (out of a necessity given the trade and resource situation. Germany could have potentially starved, literally, or lost its ability to industrialize).
No country would have looked at Germany and just decided by ridding of the jew, they'd be just like Germany. No one would have simplified their growth to that and especially at that time. That's a modern take and overly simplified.
However, I neglected to mention the lack of the holocaust. The holocaust story would have never been allowed to surface and so jews would have lost their easy victim status. This would have led to them being a lot more "in the shadows", imo, as you suggested also. But overall public views on jews wouldn't be as positive as they are today. I think this would play well for Europe but I still think jews would realize their vulnerability and work to better integrate into American society.
Well, you are aware that Germany suffered from massive hyper-inflation, basically making money you earned on one day on the next day worthless. And had degeneracy on the level of child prostitution.
Just pumping money for Industrialization doesn't cut it. Sure, it might have helped on top of other, more important things. Hitler introduced a new currency that worked differently than what jews did with infinite money-printing, where 1 hour of physical labor was worth 1 of that currency.
> which spurred Hitler to become completely resource independent of the rest of the world which is what led to him going to war
That is not the reason. It was decided 1933 by the West (the jews) that war must be brought over Germany, no matter what. Germany knew that. Poland tried to provoke Germany in 1938 by attacking Czechoslovakia and failed, but when they massacred Germans in occupied Danzig (former German city), it forced Hitler's hand. He could have done nothing too, but 1. it was clear they'd find a way sooner or later, 2. it would be treason to Germans, 3. they were ready for war (along with the Molotov-Ribbentrop pact).
To think that Germany was purely driven by materialistic dynamics is exactly the opposite of what they believed in. That's a very cynical-jewish way to see things.
The same applies today - the reason the US meddles in the Middle East isn't because of some economic interests - it's because the jews bribe politicians to do their bidding, and they own the media. Whatever selfish reasons the US has is irrelevant - in fact what they do is detrimental to them. Given that the US isn't driven by purely selfish materialistic reasons implies that that is not a universal pattern.
> Germany could have potentially starved, literally, or lost its ability to industrialize).
That is highly questionable. If A didn't lead to X, then the answer isn't that *nothing else* would lead to X, it means B leads to X instead, eventually later.
> No one would have simplified their growth to that and especially at that time.
It was the prime time for people to adopt these views. It was before feminism and the faggotry agenda took hold, before 3rd world immigration, before the forced "Civil Rights" at gunpoint, before the holocaust hoax (with emerged around 1960+). Germans were very similar to the Brits and Americans ideologically - the only difference is that Germans noticed the jew, while the rest got brainwashed by jews to think Germans suffer from collective insanity.
That is why it was to urgent for jews to bring war upon Germany as soon as possible. Germany would have massively benefited from NOT having war.
> The holocaust story ould have never been allowed to surface
To be *created* you mean. It took them a while to fabricate it. They met for 1947 for a photo shooting, and they forged various photos as evidence, partly even from the the aftermath of the bombing of Dresden. Then there was Schindler's List, which literally is self-described fiction. The holocaust got "popularized" around 1960, and it wasn't even taught in israel in 1961. Before that there was no conception of "holocaust" as is today.
There is a ubiquitous downplaying of Hilter's cultural influence. He wasn't *just* industrialising, he was revitilizing the entire civilization; his economic policies were all based on his Germany First cultural policies (loans for families, a car for every German, his massive public architectural works, defending ethnic Germans in foreign territory etc). It's debatable if he even knew that these policies would lead to such an economic boom because that was largely a side effect of simply doing things in support of the German people.
So "getting rid of the Jews saved Germany" is accurate, but only because the exact opposite of Jewish policies (focus on economic gains, controlled by the wealthy foreigners, and attack the wellbeing of the people) is what's best for a country.
Yes, but that was kind of Hitler's point. The very fact that removing the jews lead to such a massive uplifting of Germany proved him right. I am sure Hitler spoke and wrote about this a lot.
You could say: "Hitler was right about jews." Remember the meme "Islam is right about women"? Well, I don't think it would drive leftists into frenzy like that, but it's succinct.
I am not sure if it was the removal of the jews or Hitler's actions that lead to the rapid recovery of Germany, but for sure the former was a prerequisite, and that the combination was great.
As of Hungary, they did the soft approach of NatSoc, supporting families, having more children, anti-feminism, anti-faggotry, pro-Christianity. It worked fine, but didn't do as much as removing jews and all their influence on a substantial level would have done. We are trapped in a socialist state basically, thanks to the communists. As of right now, the jews have regained power, and have already done constitutional alterations to prevent Orban from being elected again. But nothing that was unforgivable/irreversible though... yet.
The slippery slope is one that the III Reich itself dealt with and that's who exactly they considered aryan. They loved turks, for instance, so Turkish immigration may well be just as high as it actually is OTL (to be fair, Turkish immigration is the least of our concerns, but still). Okay, Germany was supposed to remain german even among other people considered aryan. But all it would have taken to open the floodgates to people that were dubiously granted the title of "aryan" would be someone slightly more liberal than hitler was. And whats to stop it from going further than that? Hell, at the time of ww2, the anglosphere was more racial than the III Reich was. Alright, that largely changed because of jews, sure, but white people also have a savior complex that was exploited by them. The third Reich isn't an exception, particularly in regards to their policy in the middle east.
Furthermore, I consider that Israel must be destroyed
Furthermore, I consider that Israel must be destroyed
Remember that one of the main German motives for WWI (ie WWII part 1) was access to colonies; they'd be in pretty much the same boat as England or France if they'd been able.
An axis victory probably means an italy blowing shit up and causing problems to make other countries adopt fascism. Probably with spain as primary side-kick, given that Franco and mussolini had a good relationship. Mussolini also viewed ww2 fundamentally differently from everyone else. More or less as a means to an end for a worldwide (or at least continent-wide) revolution of fascism, rather than simply hitlers desire to rid the world of the ussr.
Italys theoretical actions would probably mean an immigrant stream into Europe moreso than germanys.
On the part of Japan, they would have probably been thrown out of China eventually anyways. Would china become communist? Probably not. But Japan could barely hold onto china as-is. They couldn't handle it. Mussolini hated the Japanese, Hitler was a sinophile and a japanophile, but he had far more in common with chiang kai shek. Only supporting Japan because it was obvious they'd be the next power. My thought would be more or less that the Japanese empire would eventually collapse anyways, and I think that the sympathies of the other 2 axis countries would end up being with the KMT rather than Japan, eventually.
Furthermore, I consider that Israel must be destroyed
This completely ignores race, which is upstream of idealogy.
Do you know many Germans? They are NOT people who sit around collecting gibs and producing nothing. That's one of the reasons Germans and Jews hate each other so much; Jews think God has commanded then to produce nothing while Germans, regardless of religion, view idleness as the greatest sin.
Germany is one of the only places that Socialism can actually work because Germans work "according to their ability" regardless of the reward. The only problem East Germany had was that they weren't *allowed* to work because their lazy-ass overseers had to control everything and couldn't keep up with them.