He's not necessarily wrong, but the way he's positioning himself in the argument is very odd.
The people who just want to wear SS uniforms and imagine what it would be like to come home to their litter flower Erika are few and far between.
The people who are reassessing what history has taught us about WWII, and finding that Germany was the hero. These are the people who need to be cultivated and pointed in the right direction.
This comment just feels like he's firing into his own audience for no particular reason.
The people who just want to wear SS uniforms and imagine what it would be like to come home to their litter flower Erika are few and far between.
The people who are reassessing what history has taught us about WWII, and finding that Germany was the hero. These are the people who need to be cultivated and pointed in the right direction.
This comment just feels like he's firing into his own audience for no particular reason.
The point is: you cannot birth a new movement into the world, a revolution, a counterculture, while having tunnel vision directed towards one specific dude. And idolize him, and view him as an infallible Saint. And dress like him, and copy everything he did. When in reality the conditions that gave rise to those movements sparked a plurality of interpretations towards it. Hitler was nothing like mussolini was nothing like codreanu was nothing like mosley was nothing like Rivera. Some of these people would have probably been shooting at each other if ww2 never happened (and in the case of engelbert dolfuss, that actually happened). An organic movement in the modern west would be built under different conditions than what hitler et al would have faced and would need to adjust a few things, but that's the beauty of fascism. It can adjust.
So, he's right. Larping as an SS-Hauptsturmführer who views Adolf Hitler as the be all end all who never did anything wrong in history, and furthermore reducing his ideology into the hollywood version of it, is not the way to approach anything, unless you're like 14 years old and don't know shit yet. Hitler himself would not want you to do this.
This is a forward thinking ideology. Too many people sink into the pitfall of exalting passive immobility and longing for something that has been dead for 80 years and wondering why on earth it won't come back. Hitler created something new, he didn't bring anything back. You can make something new, too. There is absolutely no necessity in resuscitating everything in this hitlerist orthodoxy.
Sometimes, i halfway wish that museums and books of history would be destroyed in a fire so nobody knew that anything happened, so that nobody could sit around romanticizing the past for the sake of it and for the aesthetics, and then do nothing except whine about how its gone with no action. Thats all anyone from the fringe ever does, including leftists. The outlet of imagining a time that was, can itself become a toxic escapism that so many fall prey too. Intelligent people would be forced to realize the problems organically, with no reference point, themselves, and come up with solutions and carry them out. We are on top of a promontory that has not risen in the past ccentury. Why should we look behind us if we wish to break down the mysterious doors of the impossible?
Furthermore, I consider that Israel must be destroyed
The example, the *only* example, Fuentes brings up is a Halloween costume. That's not "larping", that's the definition of messing around and having fun. If you don't want to have fun, or you don't consider that fun, that's fine but why are you bothered by what others do for fun?
The real problem is that the kid was chased out of a party by people who are so brainwashed that, even while at a party, they can't turn off their political filter. He's acting like he's better than nerds, but at least nerds can stop talking about their capeshit for five minutes while ordering a beer. Even those purporting to be based lose their shit at a costume; why is that?
I think he's trying to conflate two different issues: people larping as Nazis, and people intentionally signalling that they no longer hold the lies of the past to be sacred truths. I have no doubt that this kid was just acting like a regular teen and not as an SS-officer, he just dressed up and maybe threw a few romans. He isn't "cargo culting", he's simply stating that he doesn't respect the Jewish cultural hegemony in a playful way.
And look which side Fuentes rushes to defend...
It's just like our friend, the DeplorableJeet. He's all buddy buddy with White supremacists until it comes down to actually supporting Whites, then it all changes in a flash.
Don't idolize talking heads like Nick Fuentes, or Gypsie Crusader, or even Jake Shields. Instead, realize that they *need* so say these things just to have even a facade of integrity today. And that's pretty cool.
Furthermore, I consider that Israel must be destroyed
Fuentes is probably the most intelligent out of them to be honest. Jackson Hinkle is also an interesting case, his ideology is fucking weird and hes nominally a communist, but hes syncretic and dissident from the nu-left orthodoxy *enough* that I feel like whatever current he can create, if not he himself, has potential to collapse in on itself and organically create a fascistic movement. If that happened it would be the first time in a very long time that fascism grew from the soil of disaffected socialism on its own. I don't follow him but I observe with intrigue.
Furthermore, I consider that Israel must be destroyed.
Yeah, so now I know that you don't watch the show, because you don't know what he puts up with in the Super Chats. Everyone that talks shit about Nick doesn't watch the show, doesn't know the weeks-long context to things, etc.
Nick gets tons of Super Chats/ DMs about starting up organizations like TPUSA/ YAF, etc. He's turned that down plenty of times because it would give the jews at the DoJ the opportunity to harass him under RICO. The fact that Patriot Front wasn't charged under RICO while Biden was in Office was a huge tell that they're feds. There's A LOT MORE to this conversation than just these three text messages.
**Again, you don't watch the show, so how would you know?**
Even Pablo Escobar, Frank Lucas, the Mafia and the Yakuza have donated food and volunteered for their communities. Doesn't mean they're not organized criminal operations. They do this to "bribe" people and get some good press.
If Nick started an organization like Patriot Front, this kikked "Trump" admin would absolutely go after him!
I do not think you're aware of the activities of Patriot Front. It's not all marching in the streets. It's not fight clubs. It's "The Butter Churners Gang". FFS they're volunteering to help white people after disasters. Volunteer service.
RICO laws really have no sway over Patriot Front.
Counterpoint: History is but the biography of great men, and those who do not learn from History are doomed to repeat it.
Also, I have never once touted the idea that Adolf Hitler was infallible (though he ought to qualify as a Saint), for the man made several critical mistakes in his public life. As all men do.
> Hitler created something new, he didn't bring anything back
You may want to consult my image quote series on Mein Kampf (or the source material, even better). The Third Reich was built after the model of the First and in direct juxtaposition to the inherently flawed Second. The NSDAP can be credited with bringing back German prestige, pride, and unified national identity, none of which had been seen since before the Great War. Furthermore, "resuscitating everything in this Hitlerist orthodoxy" is actually quite necessary, as the nucleus of National Socialist ideology is centered on the man Adolf Hitler.
> Sometimes, i halfway wish that museums and books of history would be destroyed in a fire so nobody knew that anything happened, so that nobody could sit around romanticizing the past for the sake of it and for the aesthetics
What an eminently Jewish thing to say. You *do* realize that the destruction of History and the erasure of everything that has happened until now is literally the entire goal of the International Jew, right?
> Every record has been destroyed or falsified, every book rewritten, every picture has been repainted, every statue and street building has been renamed, every date has been altered. And the process is continuing day by day and minute by minute. History has stopped. There is no longer any past, nor any future, only an endless present in which the Party is always right.
-George Orwell, 1984
I said specifically that you can take inspiration from history, even from unlikely people if you wish. Hell, mussolini's most direct inspiration from a political movement was Vladimir Lenin. But to seek to copy it note by note is a worthless endeavor. And it wasn't directed towards you, it's directed towards the people fuentes is talking about.
>You may want to consult my image quote series on Mein Kampf (or the source material, even better). The Third Reich was built after the model of the First and in direct juxtaposition to the inherently flawed Second. The NSDAP can be credited with bringing back German prestige, pride, and unified national identity, none of which had been seen since before the Great War.
He brought back intangible idealism. That's what he brought back to germany. As for what he used to bring that back, they were entirely novel methods, some of them grandfathered in from mussolini and modified, some of them thought up by himself, some of them thought up by other people in his circle.
>Furthermore, "resuscitating everything in this Hitlerist orthodoxy" is actually quite necessary, as the nucleus of National Socialist ideology is centered on the man Adolf Hitler.
It isn't necessary. Hitler wasn't the only person to free his country from jewry, and he wasn't even the most recent. Assad didn't fall until last year, his country was free from jewry. North Korea is free from jewry today. Libya was free from jewry before 2011. Iran is free from it. Venezuela is free from it. Iraq was free from it before 2003. All of these countries have systems that are not national socialism, and that differ from each other quite substantially in practice. What made Hitler different was the fight to extend this to everyone else, but that's not something that only national socialism alone can accomplish. Abd even back then, every country on the third position besides germany did not use national socialism. Moreover, there were multiple different currents of national socialist thought besides hitlers own. Anton Drexler, Gregor Strasser, Otto Strasser, Ernst Röhm, etc. Some very prominent figures came from the opposition camp of national socialism too, most notably Göbbels who was part of its left-opposition and was spared the night of long knives.
>What an eminently Jewish thing to say. You do realize that the destruction of History and the erasure of everything that has happened until now is literally the entire goal of the International Jew, right?
It was a comment in jest. But really, it is true that people use idealization of the past as a cheap way to escape from the problems of today. No, I don't actually want museums to he destroyed, but people need to stop living in the past inside of their heads and face reality.
Furthermore, I consider that Israel must be destroyed
- Intangible Idealism (a somewhat redundant term) is the lifeblood of any and all practical actions and movements. Man does not live by bread alone.
- As for your examples of National Socialism-less countires that were (nominally) free of Jewish control- Syria was rife with Jew-puppet agitators even before the Syrian Civil War, North Korea is literally Marxism with the Jew Levi "Karl" Marx replaced by the Kim family, Libya under Gaddafi and Iraq under Hussein were National Socialist in everything except name, Iran is a hardline Islamic theocracy, and Venezuela is literally a starving Communist shithole.
- Every other country besides Germany that ocuppied any semblance of the Third Position also had massive socioeconomic issues on account of their failing to use National Socialism.
- The only version of National Socialism worth paying substantial attention to is Hitler's- there's a reason it won out in the marketplace of ideas.
In conclusion, I would *far* rather deal with a legion of Nazi LARPers who are at least brave enough to tout their ideology publicly than deal with so-called "prudent" men who smother their power level out of fear. I can teach men to hold a more nuanced understanding of Hitler and the Reich, but there's no instructing a man to courage.
Anyways,
>Intangible Idealism (a somewhat redundant term) is the lifeblood of any and all practical actions and movements. Man does not live by bread alone.
And a man without bread cannot live period.
>Syria was rife with Jew-puppet agitators even before the Syrian Civil War
Probably because it was being infiltrated by the most powerful country on earth continuously. Can't really fault them for that. No system is going to protect you from that, really.
>North Korea is literally Marxism with the Jew Levi "Karl" Marx replaced by the Kim family
They have officially replaced marxism with "juche" in their constitution. It is not a marxist country anymore. At this rate, we may as well call fascism marxism because it *technically* evolved from a current of it. North Korea doesn't do a single thing remotely communistic and they haven't since the 90s.
>Libya under Gaddafi and Iraq under Hussein were National Socialist in everything except name
These countries cannot really be compared to each other because Libya was a theocratic country and Iraq was entirely secular. Both of them used a system closer to soviet socialist economics than to german socialist economics, but with some differences particularly in the belief in private property. In terms of social policy, they were somewhere between the soviet union and fascist italy, but did not really cross paths with what the Germans believed about social politics. Even the jewish question was a pretty middling issue in Iraq and Libya, but the jews had no control over them regardless.
>Iran is a hardline Islamic theocracy
And? It works for them
>Venezuela is literally a starving Communist shithole.
Venezuela isn't communist and it's also been on americas shitlist of nations to be destroyed for quite a few years now. If america didn't exist, who knows how it would be doing. Probably not great, because 3rd worlders, but probably a hell of a lot better than it is.
>Every other country besides Germany that ocuppied any semblance of the Third Position also had massive socioeconomic issues on account of their failing to use National Socialism.
Italy sure as fuck didn't have socioeconomic issues.
>The only version of National Socialism worth paying substantial attention to is Hitler's- there's a reason it won out in the marketplace of ideas.
No, I disagree. The strassers have something to offer, although I think the original DAP's "drexlerism" was quite self destructive and incapable of doing anything. In fact, what Otto Strasser believed in before and after he was exiled was what drove a majority of the people into the party up until that point to begin with. Hitler waa saying pretty much the same shit as what strasser was saying early on, but he had a change in goals, or maybe he never did but thought a different path was necessary, Strasser stuck with the NSDAP orthodoxy. Whose ideas were better? Hard to say, neither of them actually got to fully implement them, but it is true that strasser's ideas were pretty much the ideas of the early party including hitler.
And hitler did not even have an iron grip on the party until the night of long knives. The SA at its peak had about 4 million people who served as his left-opposition and disagreed with what he was doing. That's enormous. The fact that he maintained control was just because he chopped off the head. If he hadn't been as thorough, or if he hadn't done anything at all, it's likely, almost cerrain, that a coup would have happened. And we would have had a germany led by strasser or röhm with göbbels still as chief propagandist. But the fact that there were 4 million who had a different idea than hitler but with the same goal to free the nation is telling that there are absolutely alternatives and he was very far from the only person to take in anything from. Furthermore, the ability of the strassers to weave propaganda in North Germany was probably greater than hitlers own. The nsdap was originally unpopular in northern Germany, but the strassers managed to siphon a metric fuck-ton of Northern German communists and socialists into the SA and turned it into one of the biggest voting blocs that the nsdap had.
Furthermore, I consider that Israel must be destroyed.
If you think that basically nationalizing everything to turn a nation into a Command Economy run by what were essentially cartels acting at the government's behest while skimming off the top and leaving the common people as impoverished as ever DOESN'T constitute socioeconomic issues, then I've got a bridge to sell you.
Hitler was the first great man in history who embraced scientific racism and endeavored to save the White race by maintaining the purity of its blood.
You seem to be under the impression that National Socialism is some kind of petty political movement about raising minimum wage or building roads or whatever. It is not. It is a Weltanschauung. It is a spiritual and quasi-religious ideology.
Nick can never understand what it means putting your race first because he's a Christcuck who worships the god of the Jews and who believes that niggers are literally our brothers.
I'm telling you straight up: if you are a Christian you can never truly *understand* what National Socialism is. If you are a Christian for you Hitler will always be just another politician who tried to do what's best for his country.
Hitler knew the German people were his goal, focus, and power base. That not even he was above their survival, hence why he killed himself in Berlin with them instead of running off to Argentina.
Tradition is our guide to navigating the same battles. If larping as nazis was so irrelevant there wouldn't be an entire culture and legal system nearly worldwide against it.
Of course we don't live in the 1930s anymore but the same problems have beset us. And the people that remember and honor their roots, right now Jews, are winning. Those that discard them for muh progressive new things are severed from the grounding provided by their past. Look at how quickly the USA disappeared as a European nation.