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Honest Libertarian (media.scored.co)
posted 10 months ago by RJ567 on scored.co (+1 / -0 / +37Score on mirror )
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TallestSkil on scored.co
10 months ago 20 points (+0 / -0 / +20Score on mirror ) 2 children
Libertarians literally do not have principles. Libertarianism is *“What if the child consents?”*
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the-new-style on scored.co
10 months ago 15 points (+0 / -0 / +15Score on mirror ) 2 children
Lest anyone think that's an exaggeration...

https://mises.org/mises-daily/children-and-rights

> the parent should not have a legal obligation to feed, clothe, or educate his children, since such obligations would entail positive acts coerced upon the parent and depriving the parent of his rights. The parent therefore may not murder or mutilate his child, and the law properly outlaws a parent from doing so. But the parent should have the legal right not to feed the child, i.e., to allow it to die.

> Regardless of his age, we must grant to every child the absolute right to run away and to find new foster parents who will voluntarily adopt him, or to try to exist on his own.

> Now if a parent may own his child, then he may also transfer that ownership to someone else. He may give the child out for adoption, or he may sell the rights to the child in a voluntary contract. In short, we must face the fact that the purely free society will have a flourishing free market in children.
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TallestSkil on scored.co
10 months ago 14 points (+0 / -0 / +14Score on mirror ) 1 child
***[EVERYTHING](https://www.libertarianism.org/publications/essays/baby-selling)*** is an economic commodity to them.
ChargedUpCharger on scored.co
10 months ago 3 points (+0 / -0 / +3Score on mirror ) 1 child
I don't think so. I'd call myself a libertarian, but I don't believe in any of that shit. All the political groups encompass a spectrum, in multiple dimensions, and shifting over time.
TallestSkil on scored.co
10 months ago 3 points (+0 / -0 / +3Score on mirror ) 1 child
>I don’t believe in [libertarianism]

Then you’re not one. Hooray! Libertarians believe race is a matter of economic viability. You don’t.
ChargedUpCharger on scored.co
10 months ago 1 point (+0 / -0 / +1Score on mirror ) 1 child
Libertarianism imo is the idea that people should mind their own business, and that the domestic side of the government should be small and stay out of peoples affairs.

I generally like that idea, but of course I draw the line somewhere as almost all libertarians do.

I don't see why a libertarian can't be racist. Freedom means you can think whatever you want about another person, or group of people. You can also defend yourself (or your race) when attacked. And we are *certainly* being attacked.

To take your angle, if jews were just existing somewhere and not harming anyone, yes I would want to leave them alone. But of course they're doing the opposite of that.
Butttoucha9k on scored.co
10 months ago 0 points (+0 / -0 ) 1 child
There is a large difference between the American libertarianism of today and *libertinism* which is what I would call this quoted stance.

Libertarianism says we agree on a few set ground rules so the system works(definition of property, definition of harm, definition of adult, definition of consent) and then use that to determine issue.

What you're quoting is a pedophile libertine
the-new-style on scored.co
10 months ago 2 points (+0 / -0 / +2Score on mirror )
Guess you don't know what the Mises Institute is nor who Murray Rothbard was
WeedleTLiar on scored.co
10 months ago 3 points (+0 / -0 / +3Score on mirror ) 1 child
Yeah, I can't even really steel man them.

>Everyone can do whatever they want so long as it doesn't infringe someone else's rights.

So, if someone has the right to travel, I can't build a house because they might want to walk through that space? Conversely, if they have the right to personal property, they can build toll booths on all the popular paths and I can't knock them down.

The very basis is nonsensical.
Butttoucha9k on scored.co
10 months ago 0 points (+0 / -0 ) 2 children
Thats a strawman bro and you know it. Property rights supersede travel rights. You can't stop someone from traveling if its NOT YOUR PROPERTY but that's only within nation not foreigners. No you can't knock their tolbooth down if its on their property I can't knock your fence down either.
TallestSkil on scored.co
10 months ago 3 points (+0 / -0 / +3Score on mirror )
>supersede

Not to a libertarian! All rights are exactly identical in every way, except where economic policy comes into play, in which case whichever right is willing to be worth more on the Free Market™ takes precedence.
the-new-style on scored.co
10 months ago 0 points (+0 / -0 ) 1 child
Who determines something is your property? You?
Butttoucha9k on scored.co
10 months ago 0 points (+0 / -0 ) 1 child
Libertarianism is not anarcho capitalism. You are confusing the two.
the-new-style on scored.co
10 months ago 0 points (+0 / -0 )
The Mises org publishes The Journal of Libertarian Studies

https://jls.mises.org/

I'll appeal to their authority
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