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Honest Libertarian (media.scored.co)
posted 10 months ago by RJ567 on scored.co (+1 / -0 / +37Score on mirror )
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TallestSkil on scored.co
10 months ago 20 points (+0 / -0 / +20Score on mirror ) 2 children
Libertarians literally do not have principles. Libertarianism is *“What if the child consents?”*
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the-new-style on scored.co
10 months ago 15 points (+0 / -0 / +15Score on mirror ) 2 children
Lest anyone think that's an exaggeration...

https://mises.org/mises-daily/children-and-rights

> the parent should not have a legal obligation to feed, clothe, or educate his children, since such obligations would entail positive acts coerced upon the parent and depriving the parent of his rights. The parent therefore may not murder or mutilate his child, and the law properly outlaws a parent from doing so. But the parent should have the legal right not to feed the child, i.e., to allow it to die.

> Regardless of his age, we must grant to every child the absolute right to run away and to find new foster parents who will voluntarily adopt him, or to try to exist on his own.

> Now if a parent may own his child, then he may also transfer that ownership to someone else. He may give the child out for adoption, or he may sell the rights to the child in a voluntary contract. In short, we must face the fact that the purely free society will have a flourishing free market in children.
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TallestSkil on scored.co
10 months ago 14 points (+0 / -0 / +14Score on mirror ) 1 child
***[EVERYTHING](https://www.libertarianism.org/publications/essays/baby-selling)*** is an economic commodity to them.
ChargedUpCharger on scored.co
10 months ago 3 points (+0 / -0 / +3Score on mirror ) 1 child
I don't think so. I'd call myself a libertarian, but I don't believe in any of that shit. All the political groups encompass a spectrum, in multiple dimensions, and shifting over time.
TallestSkil on scored.co
10 months ago 3 points (+0 / -0 / +3Score on mirror ) 1 child
>I don’t believe in [libertarianism]

Then you’re not one. Hooray! Libertarians believe race is a matter of economic viability. You don’t.
ChargedUpCharger on scored.co
10 months ago 1 point (+0 / -0 / +1Score on mirror ) 1 child
Libertarianism imo is the idea that people should mind their own business, and that the domestic side of the government should be small and stay out of peoples affairs.

I generally like that idea, but of course I draw the line somewhere as almost all libertarians do.

I don't see why a libertarian can't be racist. Freedom means you can think whatever you want about another person, or group of people. You can also defend yourself (or your race) when attacked. And we are *certainly* being attacked.

To take your angle, if jews were just existing somewhere and not harming anyone, yes I would want to leave them alone. But of course they're doing the opposite of that.
Butttoucha9k on scored.co
10 months ago 0 points (+0 / -0 ) 1 child
There is a large difference between the American libertarianism of today and *libertinism* which is what I would call this quoted stance.

Libertarianism says we agree on a few set ground rules so the system works(definition of property, definition of harm, definition of adult, definition of consent) and then use that to determine issue.

What you're quoting is a pedophile libertine
the-new-style on scored.co
10 months ago 2 points (+0 / -0 / +2Score on mirror )
Guess you don't know what the Mises Institute is nor who Murray Rothbard was
WeedleTLiar on scored.co
10 months ago 3 points (+0 / -0 / +3Score on mirror ) 1 child
Yeah, I can't even really steel man them.

>Everyone can do whatever they want so long as it doesn't infringe someone else's rights.

So, if someone has the right to travel, I can't build a house because they might want to walk through that space? Conversely, if they have the right to personal property, they can build toll booths on all the popular paths and I can't knock them down.

The very basis is nonsensical.
Butttoucha9k on scored.co
10 months ago 0 points (+0 / -0 ) 2 children
Thats a strawman bro and you know it. Property rights supersede travel rights. You can't stop someone from traveling if its NOT YOUR PROPERTY but that's only within nation not foreigners. No you can't knock their tolbooth down if its on their property I can't knock your fence down either.
TallestSkil on scored.co
10 months ago 3 points (+0 / -0 / +3Score on mirror )
>supersede

Not to a libertarian! All rights are exactly identical in every way, except where economic policy comes into play, in which case whichever right is willing to be worth more on the Free Market™ takes precedence.
the-new-style on scored.co
10 months ago 0 points (+0 / -0 ) 1 child
Who determines something is your property? You?
Butttoucha9k on scored.co
10 months ago 0 points (+0 / -0 ) 1 child
Libertarianism is not anarcho capitalism. You are confusing the two.
the-new-style on scored.co
10 months ago 0 points (+0 / -0 )
The Mises org publishes The Journal of Libertarian Studies

https://jls.mises.org/

I'll appeal to their authority
multiformat on scored.co
10 months ago 7 points (+0 / -0 / +7Score on mirror ) 1 child
Libertarianism is like communism but somehow even more wimpy.
polskagurom on scored.co
10 months ago 2 points (+0 / -0 / +2Score on mirror ) 1 child
how? maybe they're jewish (marx/luxemburg/rand) but the core values are pretty opposite
multiformat on scored.co
10 months ago 8 points (+0 / -0 / +8Score on mirror ) 2 children
I don't mean specific values, but rather that it's pure idealism over practicality. Communists at least try to win, though it involves abandoning their idealism and diluting themselves. Libertarians, on the other hand, would rather get murdered by third world migrants than fight for their survival if it meant doing something "statist" like close the fucking border and have protectionist economic policies.
whatlike_withacloth on scored.co
10 months ago 5 points (+0 / -0 / +5Score on mirror )
Every day I find less distinction between libertarianism and anarchy. Kinda like atheism and nihilism. Atheists will tell you they aren't nihilists, but without anything beyond the physically-observable world... what's the point?

If the libertarian opposes all state authority... who's even going to enforce the "I don't consent" rule when someone wants to take from you? Your privately-owned security? Congratulations, you're an oligarch/aristocrat and not a libertarian. No one? Congratulations, you're an anarchist.
Butttoucha9k on scored.co
10 months ago 0 points (+0 / -0 ) 1 child
Thats not libertarianism. That's libertinism and it is Jewish and it is anarcho communist
ImBillCurtis on scored.co
10 months ago 3 points (+0 / -0 / +3Score on mirror ) 1 child
Libertarianism is pretty Jewish
Butttoucha9k on scored.co
10 months ago 0 points (+0 / -0 ) 2 children
The idea that individual rights and self determination are paramount is the opposite of Jewish. Jews love communism because then they dont have to work. They love nepotism because then they dont have to work for it. They love libertinism because then they can fuck kids openly.
Tourgen on scored.co
10 months ago 4 points (+0 / -0 / +4Score on mirror )
libertarians are are liberals with even more reality-denying ideals than communists. they stink of autism and hatred of human nature, how the world works.
Vlad_The_Impaler on scored.co
10 months ago 1 point (+0 / -0 / +1Score on mirror )
Principles that no one else abides by because you have no power.
Lord_Cthulhu on scored.co
10 months ago 1 point (+0 / -0 / +1Score on mirror )
And yet if you know anything about Libertarian Party infighting, drama, mises revolt etc you know no one belives that...
IGOexiled on scored.co
10 months ago 1 point (+0 / -0 / +1Score on mirror )
Groups of libertarians who each member morally self-polices are stable.

Groups of libertarians where one member does not morally self-police will collapse.
RJ567 on scored.co
10 months ago 0 points (+0 / -0 )
https://xcancel.com/9mm_smg/status/1940112868768457037
fourleaved on scored.co
10 months ago 0 points (+0 / -0 )
Libs fail the realpolitik check
bluewhiteandred on scored.co
10 months ago 0 points (+0 / -0 ) 1 child
I think it's a mistake to group all libertarians together like they're the same, any more than you'd group leftists and rightists together because they may all want big governments...

there are left libertarians (probably the twitter account) and right-wing "conservatarians"

granted, depending on how you take it, the statement isn't necessarily wrong... winning without principles can be a losing long term strategy if there are no principles backing it

that all said, a lot of the conservatarians were absorbed into the MAGA movement in some capacity in the mid 2010s, leaving "libertarianism" as more of a left-wing movement, maybe
WitchHunterSiegfried on scored.co
10 months ago 2 points (+0 / -0 / +2Score on mirror )
I've met exactly one who's not retarded, and he's basically just a Natsoc worried about the kikes and reds managing to take over the system we'd build.
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