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1 year ago15 points(+0/-0/+15Score on mirror)4 children
No one in that video understands tarrifs.
Tarrifs are DOMESTIC PROTECTION FOR PRODUCTION. The cost IS paid by the consumer, raising the prices. Yes. Thats the point.
A HIGHER COST TO CONSUMER means a wider opportunity to increase domestic production as competition in the market. It allows domestic manufacturers to compete against lower wage costs from overseas.
It improves DOMESTIC PRODUCT and increases LOCAL ECONOMY. Its not a negotiating tool. It's not a sanction threat. It's not a tit for tat. It is a sound economic REQUIREMENT for strong internal industry.
1 year ago4 points(+0/-0/+4Score on mirror)1 child
Yes. It's amazing how many retards don't understand this.
It's trade protectionism meant to create a greater competitive advantage for local producers. Imported prices too high means you buy domestic, which keeps money in the U.S. and creates more opportunity for local business.
Tarrifs always help. It is the nature of a free market. If you don't have good production locally, then things cost more. Someone sees that and realizes the opportunity to START PRODUCING LOCALLY. Then you have local competition. Its not a hard concept.
No. Not "if not". In a country like the U.S. there is ample means of production. The problem is cheap foreign goods flooding the market which disincentivizes local production.
Take a scenario to the extreme of countries A and B. A and B place infinity percent tariffs against each other; thus, no trade. Specialization is reduced by definition. This adversely affects the purchasing power of both country's citizens, both governments makes nothing in tariffs, supply chains are restricted, and economy of scale is diminished.
Tariffs should only be used as a "negotiating tool" of "tit for tat" to keep other countries in check with their dumb tariffs and pseudo-tariffs.
A "strong internal industry" does better with the supplement of actually being able to export.
If one supports America raising tariffs against countries with lower tariffs, one either thinks America is incompetent at competing or tacitly admits the American worker is paid too much.
E: To go even more absurd, why stop at countries? Shouldn't US states apply tariffs against other states? Cities, townships, and counties can jump in too. Perhaps even families so that father has to make all the products for his family so that we can have an extremely strong "local economy" everywhere.
Thats completely false and flawed in the extreme. Your silly example doesn't stop specialization at all, and a NATION shouldn't be hyper specialized to the point it can't survive without export and import anyways. You also forget the simple market pressures of SUPPLY AND DEMAND. Oh, you want my widget? I make it in China and it's ten bucks. It costs me 7 in manufacturing and shipping. I make 3 dollars profit. Oh, you want to put a 100% tarrif on it? That's 20 dollars and I make three bucks, OR I move my manufacturing to your country, which is where my DEMAND is, it costs me 9 bucks to make it there, and I sell it for 12, maintaining my profits, undercutting my Chinese competitors prices, and creating jobs in the local economy. Or better yet, I sell it for 15 and DOUBLE my profits while generating tax revenue and economic growth for the nation.
This is 5th grade level economics. It isn't hard to understand. Companies move SUPPLY production to the most ECONOMICALLY PROFITABLE PLACE, and can only sell where DEMAND is. They don't care if it's made in Taiwan or Toledo Ohio, as long as it makes the best fiscal sense. If you don't have high demand, then you don't matter, but WE DO. No company in the world wants to lose America as a customer, and if they do decide to maintain foreign production, then a new company WILL be founded domestically to compete because there will be DEMAND for their SUPPLY.
You just used a non trading country to try and make an argument for trade. And you're wrong about their specialization. 90% of north Korea is agriculture.
It does raise the cost of foreign products, and that simultaneously pushes down demand (furthering anti-consumerist behavior, something we probably agree is a good thing) and it can in some cases create situations where domestic demand for products and employment in related industries is increased marginally by the prices of foreign products becoming more expensive artificially.
If trump was our guy, he would put a 10,000% tariff on everything and we would go full Juche, which is what we should have been doing the whole time.
Tarrifs are DOMESTIC PROTECTION FOR PRODUCTION. The cost IS paid by the consumer, raising the prices. Yes. Thats the point.
A HIGHER COST TO CONSUMER means a wider opportunity to increase domestic production as competition in the market. It allows domestic manufacturers to compete against lower wage costs from overseas.
It improves DOMESTIC PRODUCT and increases LOCAL ECONOMY. Its not a negotiating tool. It's not a sanction threat. It's not a tit for tat. It is a sound economic REQUIREMENT for strong internal industry.
It's trade protectionism meant to create a greater competitive advantage for local producers. Imported prices too high means you buy domestic, which keeps money in the U.S. and creates more opportunity for local business.
You got it right on.
If you have good production locally, there's an incentive to buy local.
If not, customers are paying more *and* making do with less.
Tariffs won't help unless the useless foreign workers and the labour unions get dealt with.
No. Not "if not". In a country like the U.S. there is ample means of production. The problem is cheap foreign goods flooding the market which disincentivizes local production.
Tariffs should only be used as a "negotiating tool" of "tit for tat" to keep other countries in check with their dumb tariffs and pseudo-tariffs.
A "strong internal industry" does better with the supplement of actually being able to export.
If one supports America raising tariffs against countries with lower tariffs, one either thinks America is incompetent at competing or tacitly admits the American worker is paid too much.
E: To go even more absurd, why stop at countries? Shouldn't US states apply tariffs against other states? Cities, townships, and counties can jump in too. Perhaps even families so that father has to make all the products for his family so that we can have an extremely strong "local economy" everywhere.
This is 5th grade level economics. It isn't hard to understand. Companies move SUPPLY production to the most ECONOMICALLY PROFITABLE PLACE, and can only sell where DEMAND is. They don't care if it's made in Taiwan or Toledo Ohio, as long as it makes the best fiscal sense. If you don't have high demand, then you don't matter, but WE DO. No company in the world wants to lose America as a customer, and if they do decide to maintain foreign production, then a new company WILL be founded domestically to compete because there will be DEMAND for their SUPPLY.
It isn't specifically to "help us"
It does raise the cost of foreign products, and that simultaneously pushes down demand (furthering anti-consumerist behavior, something we probably agree is a good thing) and it can in some cases create situations where domestic demand for products and employment in related industries is increased marginally by the prices of foreign products becoming more expensive artificially.
If trump was our guy, he would put a 10,000% tariff on everything and we would go full Juche, which is what we should have been doing the whole time.