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For most of its history, the church has been explicitly antisemitic. And so was Luther.
Just like Judaism has always been Anti-Christian, more so than any other faith system.
It's no coincidence that Judeo-Bolshevism violently opposed and persecuted Christendom.
In fact, one might say collective jewry is the Antichrist.
Find me one quote from any pope that is even remotely antisemitic. I only want one.
The Catholic Church being "antisemitic" is just a myth that derives from the usual habit of the Jews to claim that anyone who doesn't completely surrender to them is "antisemitic". In truth the Catholic Church never killed a single Jew and sided with them at the time of the Third Reich.
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https://files.catbox.moe/zvaj4n.mp4
I can verify all but the second one. Innocent III was perhaps my favorite because in addition to forbidding jews to hold public office, he also compelled them to wear the judenhut, ye olde equivalent of the judenstern.
I share your belief in that throughout the centuries, the Catholic Church routinely dropped the ball when it came to dealing with them (except during the Inquisition, I daresay at *least* one jew was killed therein, also invalidating your statement). Christianity's major flaw has always been seeing the jewish problem as a religious one and not as a racial one, which is what has led to all the mistakes. You can strike it for that, at the very least.
Luther was extremely counter-semitic though, that fact is undeniable. He wrote a whole book about it too.
I cannot open catbox with any of my VPNs, unfortunately. Can you share the quotes in some other way please?
> except during the Inquisition, I daresay at least one jew was killed therein, also invalidating your statement
The Inquisition only went after Jews who *pretended* to be Christians to avoid restrictions. It didn't touch anyone solely for being a Jew.
You surely have noticed a pattern: Jews cry about antisemitism if a Jew suffers consequences for his actions even if these consequences have nothing to do with him being a Jew. These is where the claims of antisemitism against the Catholic Church come from.
> Luther was extremely counter-semitic though, that fact is undeniable. He wrote a whole book about it too.
Oh yes, he wrote a book complaining that the Jews are racist and saying that racism is bad.
But what is more striking is that Luther doesn't advocate violence against Jews (in spite of recognizing in his book that they want to kill us all), but he did advocate violence against the revolting peasants.
>The jews have not recognized our Lord, therefore we cannot recognize the jewish people"
--Saint Pope Pius X
>All the world suffers from the usury of the jews, their monopolies and deceit. They have brought many unfortunate people into a state of poverty, especially the farmers, working class people, and the very poor.
--Pope Clement VIII
>We forbid jews to be appointed to public office, since under cover of them, they are very hostile to Chrisitans
--Pope Innocent III
>By means of their practice of commerce, jews amass a great store of money and then by an exorbitant rate of interest utterly destroy the wealth and inheritance of Christians.
--Pope Benedict XIV
Far from no Popes ever criticizing them.
>The Inquisition only went after Jews who pretended to be Christians to avoid restrictions.
Moving the goalposts, then. We've gone from "the Catholic Church never killed a single jew" to "well they killed *some* jews, but not enough". I share that same sentiment, sure, but you let your hatred cloud your judgement oftentimes. Nor are you as historically literate as I would like.
>These is where the claims of antisemitism against the Catholic Church come from.
There was a crusade against jews also
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/People%27s_Crusade
And countless killings and reprisals of jews by Christian authorities as a result of their satanic sacrifice of Christian children being found out. You have not yet read *The Sword of Christ* like I recommended to you, have you? I can assure you there is almost an uncountable documentation of reprisals by Christians against jews over the millennia.
>But what is more striking is that Luther doesn't advocate violence against Jews
I mean, he did say that if he had to baptize a jew it would be by tying a millstone around his neck and casting him into the Elbe...
Thank you for the quotes of the Popes. I will bear this in mind going forward.
> Moving the goalposts, then. We've gone from "the Catholic Church never killed a single jew" to "well they killed some jews, but not enough".
This isn't true, I did not move the goalpost. The goalpost was to have killed a Jew only because of him being a Jew. OBVIOUSLY.
Otherwise it's like libtards claiming that the police kills niggers, implying that it's for the sole reason that they were niggers. Explaining to the libtards that the police kills niggers because they were being violent is not moving the goalpost.
> Nor are you as historically literate as I would like.
I am historically and logically literate, I assure you.
In fact my main source for this kind of discussion is *The Jewish Revolutionary Spirit*, written by E. Michael Jones who is the most famous and well respected counter-semitic Christian today (obviously he's censored from everywhere).
He does a stellar job at going through the historical sources, and distinguish between the acts that were committed by someone who happened to be nominally Christian, and the Churches or clergymen. You seem to have a blind spot on this. You keep trying to take credit for stuff that Europeans did when their religious affiliation is unknown or irrelevant. It would be like me bringing up that FDR was a Christian and then blame Christianity for him starting WWII.
Your own link says:
> where the Bishop saved the rest of the Jews
And we have countless examples of the Church or individual clergymen saving the Jews. Including of course the pope criticizing the antisemitism of the Third Reich.
Overall it seems that historically the Church was critical of the Jews and tried to protect Christians from their influence, but never wanted the Jews to be physically eliminated, hoping instead that they will convert.
> You have not yet read The Sword of Christ like I recommended to you, have you?
It's very high on my list, I will read it. Only because of you :)
Just like Judaism has always been Anti-Christian, more so than any other faith system.
It's no coincidence that Judeo-Bolshevism violently opposed and persecuted Christendom.
In fact, one might say collective jewry is the Antichrist.
Find me one quote from any pope that is even remotely antisemitic. I only want one.
The Catholic Church being "antisemitic" is just a myth that derives from the usual habit of the Jews to claim that anyone who doesn't completely surrender to them is "antisemitic". In truth the Catholic Church never killed a single Jew and sided with them at the time of the Third Reich.
I can verify all but the second one. Innocent III was perhaps my favorite because in addition to forbidding jews to hold public office, he also compelled them to wear the judenhut, ye olde equivalent of the judenstern.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pope_Innocent_III#Fourth_Council_of_the_Lateran
I share your belief in that throughout the centuries, the Catholic Church routinely dropped the ball when it came to dealing with them (except during the Inquisition, I daresay at *least* one jew was killed therein, also invalidating your statement). Christianity's major flaw has always been seeing the jewish problem as a religious one and not as a racial one, which is what has led to all the mistakes. You can strike it for that, at the very least.
Luther was extremely counter-semitic though, that fact is undeniable. He wrote a whole book about it too.
> except during the Inquisition, I daresay at least one jew was killed therein, also invalidating your statement
The Inquisition only went after Jews who *pretended* to be Christians to avoid restrictions. It didn't touch anyone solely for being a Jew.
You surely have noticed a pattern: Jews cry about antisemitism if a Jew suffers consequences for his actions even if these consequences have nothing to do with him being a Jew. These is where the claims of antisemitism against the Catholic Church come from.
> Luther was extremely counter-semitic though, that fact is undeniable. He wrote a whole book about it too.
Oh yes, he wrote a book complaining that the Jews are racist and saying that racism is bad.
But what is more striking is that Luther doesn't advocate violence against Jews (in spite of recognizing in his book that they want to kill us all), but he did advocate violence against the revolting peasants.
https://www.clemensandblair.com/product-page/homilies-against-the-jews
>The jews have not recognized our Lord, therefore we cannot recognize the jewish people"
--Saint Pope Pius X
>All the world suffers from the usury of the jews, their monopolies and deceit. They have brought many unfortunate people into a state of poverty, especially the farmers, working class people, and the very poor.
--Pope Clement VIII
>We forbid jews to be appointed to public office, since under cover of them, they are very hostile to Chrisitans
--Pope Innocent III
>By means of their practice of commerce, jews amass a great store of money and then by an exorbitant rate of interest utterly destroy the wealth and inheritance of Christians.
--Pope Benedict XIV
Far from no Popes ever criticizing them.
>The Inquisition only went after Jews who pretended to be Christians to avoid restrictions.
Moving the goalposts, then. We've gone from "the Catholic Church never killed a single jew" to "well they killed *some* jews, but not enough". I share that same sentiment, sure, but you let your hatred cloud your judgement oftentimes. Nor are you as historically literate as I would like.
>These is where the claims of antisemitism against the Catholic Church come from.
There was a crusade against jews also
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/People%27s_Crusade
And countless killings and reprisals of jews by Christian authorities as a result of their satanic sacrifice of Christian children being found out. You have not yet read *The Sword of Christ* like I recommended to you, have you? I can assure you there is almost an uncountable documentation of reprisals by Christians against jews over the millennia.
>But what is more striking is that Luther doesn't advocate violence against Jews
I mean, he did say that if he had to baptize a jew it would be by tying a millstone around his neck and casting him into the Elbe...
> Moving the goalposts, then. We've gone from "the Catholic Church never killed a single jew" to "well they killed some jews, but not enough".
This isn't true, I did not move the goalpost. The goalpost was to have killed a Jew only because of him being a Jew. OBVIOUSLY.
Otherwise it's like libtards claiming that the police kills niggers, implying that it's for the sole reason that they were niggers. Explaining to the libtards that the police kills niggers because they were being violent is not moving the goalpost.
> Nor are you as historically literate as I would like.
I am historically and logically literate, I assure you.
In fact my main source for this kind of discussion is *The Jewish Revolutionary Spirit*, written by E. Michael Jones who is the most famous and well respected counter-semitic Christian today (obviously he's censored from everywhere).
He does a stellar job at going through the historical sources, and distinguish between the acts that were committed by someone who happened to be nominally Christian, and the Churches or clergymen. You seem to have a blind spot on this. You keep trying to take credit for stuff that Europeans did when their religious affiliation is unknown or irrelevant. It would be like me bringing up that FDR was a Christian and then blame Christianity for him starting WWII.
Your own link says:
> where the Bishop saved the rest of the Jews
And we have countless examples of the Church or individual clergymen saving the Jews. Including of course the pope criticizing the antisemitism of the Third Reich.
Overall it seems that historically the Church was critical of the Jews and tried to protect Christians from their influence, but never wanted the Jews to be physically eliminated, hoping instead that they will convert.
> You have not yet read The Sword of Christ like I recommended to you, have you?
It's very high on my list, I will read it. Only because of you :)