I made a new account (weimersolutions / heagleart) and realized just how curated my old feed was because I must have blocked more than half of you guys. And seeing conpro in it's raw state, I noticed that tge specific users that I blocked myself from seeing are still here and just as active or more than the "real conpro" as I used to view it.
Here's the thing, these users' posts seem to get traction when it is something that aligns with our values, but will then mix it with things that definitely do not such as abortion, the complete destruction of women's sovereignty, or genocidal suggestions. I call this "conflation propaganda" as it tries to conflate certain defamatory values with our reasonable values through malicious actor among us.
Also I dont think the main target is the new users to scare them off, while that may be part of it, I think that we are the main targets of this propaganda. A user makes some reposts from a few months prior, and then he's "in" and ready to begin directly twisting our values. Often it is a pagan trying to delegitimize the moral superiority of Christianity or a mgtow meninist blaming white women (specifically white) while disregarding their jewish brainwashing. I think it's an attempt to lure our younger members off the conpro path (of learning the jq and embracing independence over consumerism) with an edgy, "hot take" that more aligns with the kike paradigm.
Abortion dovetails nicely with your point about "women's sovereignty" (which TBH sounds like BS drivel to me) because one of the things that the "pro life" side of abortion is unwilling to confront is the fact that in order to be "pro life" you have to tell women "no you are not allowed to murder your unborn child".
I've always thought that "pro life" is pitted against "pro choice" and depending on how you break things down, "pro life" = "anti choice" and "pro choice" = "anti life". However, because the right is so petrified of telling women what they can and can't do, the "pro life" movement is DOA. Just be honest and say, "We are telling women they can't have an abortion, and whether or not it's 'their body' is irrelevant".
However, I do hate MGTOW and their bitterness. The irony is that people who are actually going their own way don't have to tell everyone they're doing it ***without women***. Before the internet, you were just a bachelor doing your thing and you didn't have to say "I took a Sunday afternoon motorcycle ride **WITHOUT A WOMAN**" or "I grilled some hamburgers while enjoying a cold one **WITHOUT THE COMPANY OF A WOMAN**."
The rest of ConPro just "is what it is".
1. A million innocent babies are murdered annually in america alone. You are either okay with this or you are not okay with it. There is no third position, no in between, no fence to sit on. If your position is that it doesnt matter, than you are okay with it. If your position is that itll never change, than you are okay with it. This is EXACTLY what I mean when I say users mix in degeneracy, I will always call it out until I realize the user is bettter off blocked. Any position in between is still okay with allowing it. Be brave.
2. You got it upside down. Pro choice was a term to attack the Christians against infanticide, implying that they were against "choice". And then the response, pro life, implies that the other side is against life.
- Abortion should be illegal and considered murder.
- People who willingly participate in abortion (whether it be the mother or "doctor") should be considered murderers and be sentenced as such.
- In order to enforce this, it requires taking away the "choice" of the mother (or whoever wants to abort the pregnancy) by telling her "no, it is not OK to murder an unborn child".
The cynical part of me thinks that people (politicians) on the right have no intention of actually prohibiting abortion because (at least in the state I live in) the "pro life" coalitions shoot down meaningful pro-life legislation in favor of laws and amendments that do nothing to curtail abortion because of the amount of "exceptions" they put in it.
I think politicians on the right have a vested interest in *not* fixing the abortion issue because if they did, it would mean they have to find some other watershed issue to campaign on.
Sorry for my last comment. You have some good points.