The Renaissance started in the 1300s.
The reformation started in the 1500s.
The reformation did not cause the renaissance.
Protestants ruined Christianity.
Protestants are literally retarded and gay.
Most of today's problems can be traced back to the reformation.
God had to call Joseph Smith to stop the damage that the protestants were causing.
You can't refute this because you know it is true.
SOLA SCRIPTURE, SOLA FIDE, and all the other SOLA's are complete and utter lies. Ask any Catholic, they've been trying to tell you protestants this for centuries now. Maybe you should pay a little attention to what they have to say hummm?
[Hmm.](https://archive.md/CyAke)
>Seeing as how the Bible itself wasn't compiled until almost a millennia and a half from the time of Jesus
You mean… “no more than 300 years later” right? Since when was the Bible finalized in the 1500s?
>who decided what should and shouldn't be in the Bible and why should we accept that as Canon then?
Rome being in apostasy *now* ≠ Rome being in apostasy *then.* I have nothing but respect for the early church fathers.
>Guess Jesus should have clarified that to the Apostles
[He did.](https://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=John%2014%3A6&version=KJV)
>I'm curious now, what makes you dislike the Orthodox church then?
The fact that they consider certain objects, locations, and people to have in them more of the presence of God than others. That’s shaky theological ground.
>But cutting and running in the face of adversity is never the solution. Should we abandon our nations because the jew has subverted and corrupted them too?
When the ‘nation’ in question was burning them at the stake for exposing that corruption…
Perhaps I should clarify. It was with the advent of the printing press that the completed Bible was distributed far beyond the Churches themselves, and made it much more open to "interpretation" by people who had no business doing so.
>Rome being in apostasy now ≠ Rome being in apostasy then. I have nothing but respect for the early church fathers.
The entity founded by those very same Church fathers is still in operation today, in some places of the country. Even the occasional mainline Catholic church still practices the old ways, but there are some valiant splinter groups such as the SSPX still carrying on the true Faith. But rest assured, this is not the end. The true Faith will be restored for all someday. Our modern woes are only temporary.
>The fact that they consider certain objects, locations, and people to have in them more of the presence of God than others
Well that's just the truth. Relics, holy sites, and the saints or the Holy Ones of God by *default* have to have at least some stronger degree of the presence of God in them.
>When the ‘nation’ in question was burning them at the stake for exposing that corruption…
I do think that the early protestant reformers had the best of intentions at heart. But their main problem was the sheer amount of division and disunity they created, which brought about unimaginable consequences that are blatantly visible in the world around us today. Lack of trust in Christian authority, lack of trust in the Christian system, lack of trust in the Christian scriptures. Remove the mortar holding the brick wall together and it will invariably crumble. While I would prefer not to see it at all, I would have still rather seen good people burned at the stake than the complete inversion and destruction of Christendom. One of the main causes for the complete abandonment of God and the ongoing destruction in the modern "christian" system is as a result of this. It is no coincidence that the judeo-bolsheviks *self-testified* that the united methodists were the easiest organization to subvert and lead astray while the Knights of Columbus were the hardest.
While this is correct, it’s a personal failing on the part of church leaders to have allowed these interpretations to be practiced as doctrine—not a failing on the part of society or individuals in reading the Bible directly. Given that the papacy forbade personal Bible ownership, and the Bible says that one’s relationship with God is personal…
> The entity founded by those very same Church fathers is still in operation today, in some places of the country.
Even with that conditional, I’m not sure I can let that statement slide. Vatican II has to be abandoned completely, but the rot set in long before that.
>there are some valiant splinter groups such as the SSPX still carrying on the true Faith.
I’ve heard decent things about them.
> But rest assured, this is not the end. The true Faith will be restored for all someday. Our modern woes are only temporary.
“Temporary is too damned long.” ~ some 1960s pop singer, probably
> Relics, holy sites, and the saints or the Holy Ones of God by default have to have at least some stronger degree of the presence of God in them.
Why? That spits in the face of doctrine. To say that God is somewhere *more* than somewhere else is to say that God is somewhere *less* than somewhere else. God has abandoned none of His creation. He is the only egalitarian who ever will be. Relics and holy sites are a matter of *human* historicity. They’re more important in that respect, in the same way that the Mona Lisa is more important than anything done by ✡[El Lissitzky](https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/7/75/NY_Moma_lissitsky_19D.JPG)✡. I have no less respect for a holy site or relic than another site or object. Indeed, I have more, because they’re important from a historic perspective. They’re just not more important form a doctrinal perspective. That becomes idol worship.
> Lack of trust in Christian authority, lack of trust in the Christian system, lack of trust in the Christian scriptures.
I would argue that the ✡translations✡ of the last century did more in that respect than in the 1500s.
>I would have still rather seen good people burned at the stake than the complete inversion and destruction of Christendom.
Fucking thank you. Breath of fresh air. I was reading a Reddit thread a little while ago where all of them supported keeping child rapists alive for life—paid for by innocent taxpayers—rather than kill them under any circumstances.
Lot of people we have to kill these days. We’re not ready for it.
I mean, the stake burnings were apart of that, they just generally weren't well received by the people being torched...
>Vatican II has to be abandoned completely, but the rot set in long before that
I completely agree. And it *will* be a mortal blow to the Catholic Church if left unresolved (which is exactly how I know it *will* be resolved, eventually). But when you say 'long', I get the feeling you don't mean 30 years or so, which is when the judeo-bolshevik organized infiltration and subversion of the Church can be traced to. In my mind, that is the very start, in the '20s and '30s.
>I’ve heard decent things about them.
I'm telling you man, look into it. I've been to the SSPX's new flagship Cathedral and it is a night and day difference from anything else. Even surpassing the best of the mainline New World Order Catholic parishes or the still-existing TLM parishes (although they can be pretty close in some regards)
>“Temporary is too damned long.”
I get it man, I really do. It is not easy to persevere for 5, 10, 20, 50, or even 100 years or more to get what you want. But we're White people; it's what we do. Jesus never said that everything would be easy.
>To say that God is somewhere more than somewhere else is to say that God is somewhere less than somewhere else.
God is not a zero-sum game, leftism and the lies of leftism is. God is far beyond that.
>They’re just not more important form a doctrinal perspective. That becomes idol worship.
I'm not saying you have to make an annual pilgrimage to mecca or whatever, I'm merely saying that the *actual* places that Jesus lived and breathed and worked miracles are still around today. The *actual* place where He rose from the dead is here, on earth with us, and you could go there if you wanted. They're just infested with kikes currently and are in dire need of liberation. But putting that aside, holding such places in higher regard than places elsewhere is merely a sign of respect worthy of a person of such high stature.
>I would argue that the ✡translations✡ of the last century did more in that respect than in the 1500s.
Well sure, they didn't help. But protestantism naturally devolved into non-denominationalism (which is *considerably* worse than mainline protestantism theologically speaking as I'm sure you'd agree) in less than 500 years while it took Catholicism approximately 1,932 years to fall. Which track record is better, would you say?
>Lot of people we have to kill these days. We’re not ready for it.
Speak for yourself buddy. You've had all the time in the world to prepare.
Right! So to say that God is somewhere more than He is somewhere else feels “limiting” to me. We hear about an omnipotent being and we intrinsically want to put limits on what it can do because we’re incapable of truly comprehending the scope of anything infinite. It’s an insult to God to say He’s not somewhere “as much” as He is somewhere else. He is everywhere in equal (infinite) measure.
>Which track record is better, would you say?
I care more about the absolute dead silence with respect to the jews coming out of any branch of Christianity (or “christianity”) in any form. What if we’re looking at all this the wrong way? What if mending the Great Schism isn’t about enforcing one or the other interpretation of *filioque* onto the rest of Christendom. What if mending the Great Schism starts with naming the jew and killing them all, bringing other Christians into the fold–no matter their background–along the way?
>Speak for yourself buddy.
I’ll speak collectively. Whites are too empathic for our own good. It’s a genetic defect. When faced with a group of cowering children of the other species of humanity, having already killed the adults, what percentage of random whites *actually* has the will to say, *“Nits make lice.”* and start up his flamethrower again? Not enough of us. I’ll tell you that right now. Our ground state of being is seemingly “leaving the exact same problems for our grandchildren.” And that’s just *all* whites collectively. What percentage of Christians has the will to look at a group of cowering *jews* (of any age) on their knees saying, *"אני מאמין בכל לבי שישוע המשיח הוא בן האלוהים!”* and reply, *“Caedite eos. Novit enim Dominus qui sunt eius.”*
In the face of our own racial cowardice, how can I not feel the way I feel?
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Johannine_Comma
Though I’ve never been a big trinitarian
You’re thinking of the lies about Acts 8:36-38, where jews claim that 37 “isn’t in the original” despite it literally being the entire fucking gospel.
> “And as they went on their way, they came unto a certain water: and the eunuch said, See, here is water; what doth hinder me to be baptized? And Philip said, If thou believest with all thine heart, thou mayest. And he answered and said, I believe that Jesus Christ is the Son of God. And he commanded the chariot to stand still: and they went down both into the water, both Philip and the eunuch; and he baptized him.” **~ King James Version**; Acts 8:36-38
> “As they traveled along the road, they came to some water and the eunuch said, ‘Look, here is water. What can stand in the way of my being baptized?’ And he gave orders to stop the chariot. Then both Philip and the eunuch went down into the water and Philip baptized him.” **~ New International Version**; Acts 8:36 & 38
> “And as they were going along the road they came to some water, and the eunuch said, ‘See, here is water! What prevents me from being baptized?’ And he commanded the chariot to stop, and they both went down into the water, Philip and the eunuch, and he baptized him.” **~ American Standard Version**; Acts 8:36 & 38
> “As they rode along, they came to some water, and the eunuch said, ‘Look! There’s some water! Why can’t I be baptized?’ He ordered the carriage to stop, and they went down into the water, and Philip baptized him.” **~ New Living Translation**; Acts 8:36 & 38
But as for the line I quoted above, ✡modern translations✡ do alter it, too, so that no “Bible” now agrees with any other.
> “For there are three that bear record in heaven, the Father, the Word, and the Holy Ghost: and these three are one.” **~ King James Version**; 1 John 5:7
> “For there are three that testify:” **~ New International Version**; 1 John 5:7
> “And it is the Spirit that beareth witness, because the Spirit is the truth.” **~ American Standard Version**; 1 John 5:7
> “So we have these three witnesses” **~ New Living Translation**; 1 John 5:7
>The text (with the Comma in brackets and italicised) in the King James Bible reads:
>7For there are three that beare record [in heaven, the Father, the Word, and the Holy Ghost: and these three are one.] 8[And there are three that beare witnesse in earth], the Spirit, and the Water, and the Blood, and these three agree in one.
— King James Version (1611)
The claim I’ve seen is that the entire “comma” (part in brackets) was added to the Latin texts in an attempt to shore up their doctrine of the Trinity, as it doesn’t appear in any of the earlier or non-Latin texts:
>The comma is mainly only attested in the Latin manuscripts of the New Testament, being absent from the vast majority of Greek manuscripts of the New Testament, the earliest Greek manuscript being 14th century.[6] It is also totally absent in the Geʽez, Aramaic, Syriac, Georgian, Arabic and from the early pre-12th century Armenian[7] witnesses to the New Testament. Despite its absence from these manuscripts, it was contained in many printed editions of the New Testament in the past, including the Complutensian Polyglot (1517ad), the different editions of the Textus Receptus (1516-1894ad), the London Polyglot (1655)[6] and the Patriarchal text (1904ad).[8] And it is contained in many Reformation-era vernacular translations of the Bible due to the inclusion of the verse within the Textus Receptus.
The verse you mention, in Acts, is briefly mentioned at the bottom of the page:
>The Comma Johanneum is among the most noteworthy variants found within the Textus Receptus in addition to the confession of the Ethiopian eunuch, the long ending of Mark, the Pericope Adulterae, the reading "God" in 1 Timothy 3:16 and the "Book of Life" in Revelation 22:19.[9]
P.S.: plz kill https://communities.win/c/Gaming/p/19A0yChWaK/who-wants-to-kill-this-sinister-/c
It’s interesting, but doesn’t “the Spirit, and the Water, and the Blood, and these three agree in one” fit the same bill? The Holy Spirit, the Blood of Christ, and the Water of God? If not, are you claiming trinitarianism is a transposition of the Spirit from *solely* “inside” Jesus to being “outside” Him?
Further, how can antitrinitarians reconcile “In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God.” with “And Jesus, when he was baptized, went up straightway out of the water: and, lo, the heavens were opened unto him, and he saw the Spirit of God descending like a dove, and lighting upon him.”? *Unquestioned* verses of the Bible distinctly say that the Father, the Son (word) and the Spirit are all distinct while remaining connected.
Also, personal thoughts on the Filioque? I like to hear everyone’s.
>P.S.: plz kill
Ah, thanks. Done and done. I figure it must be a paid campaign. Not even the most damaged autist would maintain *literally hundreds* of account logins for two years or more just to come back and spam again.
I’ve definitely drifted closer to mainstream Christianity in the last handful of years. There’s a lot to learn about. But I wouldnt say I’ve come any closer to the idea which I find to be the crux of things, this *transactional*, *mathematical* notion that Jesus came about and died gruesomely as some kind of…down-payment on my entry to Heaven, which is to be administered by a bunch of wretched pedophiles and land barons… there ***has to be*** more to it than that.
Sorry for the ramble. First time in a few days I’ve gotten a chance to enjoy some dankmas goodies so instead of the usual flow of consciousness it’s more a flood (or a barf lol). So I'll just cut myself off there but would love to talk more about this, maybe in the morning with fresh eyes, maybe I’ll have something approaching an answer to some of your good questions.
Merry Christmas buddy
And yeah, honestly wouldn’t surprise me to learn the “jeet” was part of the original insurgency epidemic. Like a side character who got spun off lmao