The Renaissance started in the 1300s.
The reformation started in the 1500s.
The reformation did not cause the renaissance.
Protestants ruined Christianity.
Protestants are literally retarded and gay.
Most of today's problems can be traced back to the reformation.
God had to call Joseph Smith to stop the damage that the protestants were causing.
You can't refute this because you know it is true.
SOLA SCRIPTURE, SOLA FIDE, and all the other SOLA's are complete and utter lies. Ask any Catholic, they've been trying to tell you protestants this for centuries now. Maybe you should pay a little attention to what they have to say hummm?
Christendom needs hierarchical structure on Earth to maintain doctrine, otherwise you wind up with "trans women pastors” claiming they’re Christian and “saved.” The only thing for which they’re saved is the woodpile. But the structure of the papacy is *long* corrupted–centuries ago–and bears no resemblance to Christian doctrine anymore.
Neither does the word 'Bible', 'Trinity', or many other concepts still universally recognized by all Christians everywhere. Seeing as how the Bible itself wasn't compiled until almost a millennia and a half from the time of Jesus, and as of today still, a*majority* of Christianity's time here on earth was spent *without* the Bible, this is not the critique protestants generally think it is to anybody tradition-minded. And while we're on the subject, I'm curious to hear your answer. Seeing as how no earthly authority is to be trusted, and since Jesus didn't leave the disciples with a completed copy of the KJV when He ascended into Heaven, who decided what should and shouldn't be in the Bible and why should we accept that as Canon then?
>Padres don’t absolve sin; Christ does
Guess Jesus should have clarified that to the Apostles before sending them out on missions to preach and forgive people their sins, then.
>Christendom needs hierarchical structure on Earth to maintain doctrine
Oh, I couldn't agree more. I'm curious now, what makes you dislike the Orthodox church then? Their hierarchy isn't quite as strict and rigid but it's still far superior to anything else.
>But the structure of the papacy is long corrupted
You'll get no argument from me there. But cutting and running in the face of adversity is never the solution. Should we abandon our nations because the jew has subverted and corrupted them too?
[Hmm.](https://archive.md/CyAke)
>Seeing as how the Bible itself wasn't compiled until almost a millennia and a half from the time of Jesus
You mean… “no more than 300 years later” right? Since when was the Bible finalized in the 1500s?
>who decided what should and shouldn't be in the Bible and why should we accept that as Canon then?
Rome being in apostasy *now* ≠ Rome being in apostasy *then.* I have nothing but respect for the early church fathers.
>Guess Jesus should have clarified that to the Apostles
[He did.](https://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=John%2014%3A6&version=KJV)
>I'm curious now, what makes you dislike the Orthodox church then?
The fact that they consider certain objects, locations, and people to have in them more of the presence of God than others. That’s shaky theological ground.
>But cutting and running in the face of adversity is never the solution. Should we abandon our nations because the jew has subverted and corrupted them too?
When the ‘nation’ in question was burning them at the stake for exposing that corruption…
Perhaps I should clarify. It was with the advent of the printing press that the completed Bible was distributed far beyond the Churches themselves, and made it much more open to "interpretation" by people who had no business doing so.
>Rome being in apostasy now ≠ Rome being in apostasy then. I have nothing but respect for the early church fathers.
The entity founded by those very same Church fathers is still in operation today, in some places of the country. Even the occasional mainline Catholic church still practices the old ways, but there are some valiant splinter groups such as the SSPX still carrying on the true Faith. But rest assured, this is not the end. The true Faith will be restored for all someday. Our modern woes are only temporary.
>The fact that they consider certain objects, locations, and people to have in them more of the presence of God than others
Well that's just the truth. Relics, holy sites, and the saints or the Holy Ones of God by *default* have to have at least some stronger degree of the presence of God in them.
>When the ‘nation’ in question was burning them at the stake for exposing that corruption…
I do think that the early protestant reformers had the best of intentions at heart. But their main problem was the sheer amount of division and disunity they created, which brought about unimaginable consequences that are blatantly visible in the world around us today. Lack of trust in Christian authority, lack of trust in the Christian system, lack of trust in the Christian scriptures. Remove the mortar holding the brick wall together and it will invariably crumble. While I would prefer not to see it at all, I would have still rather seen good people burned at the stake than the complete inversion and destruction of Christendom. One of the main causes for the complete abandonment of God and the ongoing destruction in the modern "christian" system is as a result of this. It is no coincidence that the judeo-bolsheviks *self-testified* that the united methodists were the easiest organization to subvert and lead astray while the Knights of Columbus were the hardest.
While this is correct, it’s a personal failing on the part of church leaders to have allowed these interpretations to be practiced as doctrine—not a failing on the part of society or individuals in reading the Bible directly. Given that the papacy forbade personal Bible ownership, and the Bible says that one’s relationship with God is personal…
> The entity founded by those very same Church fathers is still in operation today, in some places of the country.
Even with that conditional, I’m not sure I can let that statement slide. Vatican II has to be abandoned completely, but the rot set in long before that.
>there are some valiant splinter groups such as the SSPX still carrying on the true Faith.
I’ve heard decent things about them.
> But rest assured, this is not the end. The true Faith will be restored for all someday. Our modern woes are only temporary.
“Temporary is too damned long.” ~ some 1960s pop singer, probably
> Relics, holy sites, and the saints or the Holy Ones of God by default have to have at least some stronger degree of the presence of God in them.
Why? That spits in the face of doctrine. To say that God is somewhere *more* than somewhere else is to say that God is somewhere *less* than somewhere else. God has abandoned none of His creation. He is the only egalitarian who ever will be. Relics and holy sites are a matter of *human* historicity. They’re more important in that respect, in the same way that the Mona Lisa is more important than anything done by ✡[El Lissitzky](https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/7/75/NY_Moma_lissitsky_19D.JPG)✡. I have no less respect for a holy site or relic than another site or object. Indeed, I have more, because they’re important from a historic perspective. They’re just not more important form a doctrinal perspective. That becomes idol worship.
> Lack of trust in Christian authority, lack of trust in the Christian system, lack of trust in the Christian scriptures.
I would argue that the ✡translations✡ of the last century did more in that respect than in the 1500s.
>I would have still rather seen good people burned at the stake than the complete inversion and destruction of Christendom.
Fucking thank you. Breath of fresh air. I was reading a Reddit thread a little while ago where all of them supported keeping child rapists alive for life—paid for by innocent taxpayers—rather than kill them under any circumstances.
Lot of people we have to kill these days. We’re not ready for it.
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Johannine_Comma
Though I’ve never been a big trinitarian
You’re thinking of the lies about Acts 8:36-38, where jews claim that 37 “isn’t in the original” despite it literally being the entire fucking gospel.
> “And as they went on their way, they came unto a certain water: and the eunuch said, See, here is water; what doth hinder me to be baptized? And Philip said, If thou believest with all thine heart, thou mayest. And he answered and said, I believe that Jesus Christ is the Son of God. And he commanded the chariot to stand still: and they went down both into the water, both Philip and the eunuch; and he baptized him.” **~ King James Version**; Acts 8:36-38
> “As they traveled along the road, they came to some water and the eunuch said, ‘Look, here is water. What can stand in the way of my being baptized?’ And he gave orders to stop the chariot. Then both Philip and the eunuch went down into the water and Philip baptized him.” **~ New International Version**; Acts 8:36 & 38
> “And as they were going along the road they came to some water, and the eunuch said, ‘See, here is water! What prevents me from being baptized?’ And he commanded the chariot to stop, and they both went down into the water, Philip and the eunuch, and he baptized him.” **~ American Standard Version**; Acts 8:36 & 38
> “As they rode along, they came to some water, and the eunuch said, ‘Look! There’s some water! Why can’t I be baptized?’ He ordered the carriage to stop, and they went down into the water, and Philip baptized him.” **~ New Living Translation**; Acts 8:36 & 38
But as for the line I quoted above, ✡modern translations✡ do alter it, too, so that no “Bible” now agrees with any other.
> “For there are three that bear record in heaven, the Father, the Word, and the Holy Ghost: and these three are one.” **~ King James Version**; 1 John 5:7
> “For there are three that testify:” **~ New International Version**; 1 John 5:7
> “And it is the Spirit that beareth witness, because the Spirit is the truth.” **~ American Standard Version**; 1 John 5:7
> “So we have these three witnesses” **~ New Living Translation**; 1 John 5:7
Do I think Mary doesn’t deserve to be respected? Of course not. But I get a little bit weirded out with the prayers…and the rosaries…and the prayer beads…and the way she’s almost referred to like the pagan goddess Astarte/Ishtar/whatever other local name she had. Do not worship Baal…
It's surprising how deep you can penetrate into protestant groups with only a little understanding of what they preach. A good place for wolves to sneak around .