I like stone choir, but it’s irritating to see Woe constantly claim 150+ IQ when he still thinks Trump is a savior.
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Fucking seriously. Even as a non Christian, I've respected that podcast and the level of effort gone into thinking out their case, but I was absolutely flabbergasted when I went and checked out their socials for the first time.
Spouting such unholy levels of cringe as, "Barron Trump is a Christian prince," puts you in the retard bucket immediately, don't care who you are. The only way you can have 150 IQ and promote that level of Q-tier rhetoric is if you're intentionally misleading people, IMO.
Spouting such unholy levels of cringe as, "Barron Trump is a Christian prince," puts you in the retard bucket immediately, don't care who you are. The only way you can have 150 IQ and promote that level of Q-tier rhetoric is if you're intentionally misleading people, IMO.
Really? Thank God I dont read his twitter. In the show, he does not even hint at his love of Trump
That's nigh unbelieveable. I just got done listening to their 3 parter on jews and WW2 (they say Hitler wasn't evil, the Holocaust didn't happen, and modern jews are evil and subversives involved in almost all of society's ills), and they're also aware of race realism. It's almost inconceivable that people like that would support Trump. I have seen a handful of people like that on Gab, though.
Still, it's weird. I figure everyone smart enough to get to our position would realize the facade of modern politics, the false dichotomy and false savior control mechanisms, and would wholly reject the "lesser evil", especially as Christians. We're commanded to search for, learn, espouse, act in, and defend the truth, to find God, to live righteously, and to be obediant to Him. The "lesser evil" is how satan, lies, and evil enters our lives. You never, ever compromise when you're right.
I'm about halfway through listening to their podcasts, and they've thus far proven to be 100% meritous. Learning the above stuff about them is the one and only knock against their character I've observed.
Perhaps it's the ease of following a false savior, the hope that they'll fix all our problems, that entices so many, even a few in our sphere. Abandonment of false saviors leads invariably to the conclusion that our only solution is violence, an upending of our remaining creature comforts, a period of misery while we fix long festering problems with "distasteful" actions. Apparently, too many people still cling to their comforts like a sinking ship. It will have to be coldly ripped from them for their eyes to be opened.
Still, the one positive with a Trump presidency, is that it should prove unequivocally the false savior control mechanism being arrayed against us, and to reject it entirely. By this, I don't mean that people shouldn't seek or support strong leaders, but understand that we're being intentionally and subversively offered false leaders, weak and/or controlled leaders, as "saviors" who will do nothing of the kind, people who intentionally misdirect our support, efforts, and interests.
Still, it's weird. I figure everyone smart enough to get to our position would realize the facade of modern politics, the false dichotomy and false savior control mechanisms, and would wholly reject the "lesser evil", especially as Christians. We're commanded to search for, learn, espouse, act in, and defend the truth, to find God, to live righteously, and to be obediant to Him. The "lesser evil" is how satan, lies, and evil enters our lives. You never, ever compromise when you're right.
I'm about halfway through listening to their podcasts, and they've thus far proven to be 100% meritous. Learning the above stuff about them is the one and only knock against their character I've observed.
Perhaps it's the ease of following a false savior, the hope that they'll fix all our problems, that entices so many, even a few in our sphere. Abandonment of false saviors leads invariably to the conclusion that our only solution is violence, an upending of our remaining creature comforts, a period of misery while we fix long festering problems with "distasteful" actions. Apparently, too many people still cling to their comforts like a sinking ship. It will have to be coldly ripped from them for their eyes to be opened.
Still, the one positive with a Trump presidency, is that it should prove unequivocally the false savior control mechanism being arrayed against us, and to reject it entirely. By this, I don't mean that people shouldn't seek or support strong leaders, but understand that we're being intentionally and subversively offered false leaders, weak and/or controlled leaders, as "saviors" who will do nothing of the kind, people who intentionally misdirect our support, efforts, and interests.
Lots of good replies under Doug's post, calling us the "Dank Right" lol.
https://nitter.poast.org/douglaswils/status/1862866959647535335
Woe is the best follow on all this
https://nitter.poast.org/treblewoe/
https://nitter.poast.org/douglaswils/status/1862866959647535335
Woe is the best follow on all this
https://nitter.poast.org/treblewoe/
"Doug is the judeo-Christian Grand master.
You Cold War era Christian’s will tolerate all manner of blasphemy against Christ but excommunicate anybody who blasphemes your sacred jews.
Your generation is yoked by Zionist deceptions and witch hunts for novel sins"
You Cold War era Christian’s will tolerate all manner of blasphemy against Christ but excommunicate anybody who blasphemes your sacred jews.
Your generation is yoked by Zionist deceptions and witch hunts for novel sins"
"here's what I really don't understand from Doug and co.
the claim here isn't that yeah hortler is cool because he did exactly what we are told he did (attempted genocide, murder, muh racism, killed christians, etc etc etc)
the claim is that its untrue that he did those things, so its not advocating genocide or killing christians etc.
so if the supposed judaizers are not advocating for mass murder...isn't doug essentially saying the grievous sin is flirting with historical revisonism? that's not a sin by any biblical metric. you can find a view of history inaccurate or simply in poor taste i suppose, but that's not grounds for church discipline.
hypothetically, lets say Stone Choir is completely in error about history in this area. maybe the mainline account of WWII is completely accurate. ok, fair enough, that doesn't mean they are advocating for genocide etc because they are saying they dont believe it occurred in the first place.
so bizarre because with any other historical event this would be blindingly obvious."
the claim here isn't that yeah hortler is cool because he did exactly what we are told he did (attempted genocide, murder, muh racism, killed christians, etc etc etc)
the claim is that its untrue that he did those things, so its not advocating genocide or killing christians etc.
so if the supposed judaizers are not advocating for mass murder...isn't doug essentially saying the grievous sin is flirting with historical revisonism? that's not a sin by any biblical metric. you can find a view of history inaccurate or simply in poor taste i suppose, but that's not grounds for church discipline.
hypothetically, lets say Stone Choir is completely in error about history in this area. maybe the mainline account of WWII is completely accurate. ok, fair enough, that doesn't mean they are advocating for genocide etc because they are saying they dont believe it occurred in the first place.
so bizarre because with any other historical event this would be blindingly obvious."
tl;dr for this saga:
**Is believing the holocaust happened a required Christian belief?**
Not a meme. This is what caused all of this. It didn't start with Stone Choir.
Long before the controversy: Stone Choir has existed for a few years but were largely unknown in mainstream Christian circles. The Choir team have made no secret about questioning the bogus holocaust narrative (see last year's episode [The Big Lie](https://stone-choir.com/the-big-lie/)). Their stance is clearly not "the holocaust did happen and it was great" or "it didn't happen but it should have", but they do have various other ConPro-esque stances ("[If your children are different colors, then you are unfit for the office of pastor](https://twitter.com/CoreyJMahler/status/1859271454594097614)").
The controversy begins: earlier this year, an unnamed member of pastor Joel Webbon's church posted an unspecified holocaust meme online. Rando internet users called for Joel to expel the church member, but Joel instead followed Jesus's discipline model (Matthew 18): Joel talked to the member and learned the member simply doubted the holocaust narrative, so Joel didn't kick the member out of the church.
Alongside this taking place, the Stone Choir team (and others) made tweets supporting Joel's correct application of Biblical discipline and willingness to accept that the flimsy holohoax narrative was not a Christian teaching. Due to the nature of Twitter, many of his Twitter followers read the tweets quoting/commenting on Joel's posts and learned about Stone Choir for the first time.
Joel made an explanation video ([When A Member In Our Church Shared A Holocaust Meme](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pj7L7b66xLY)). Joel committed holyhoax sacrilege by not expelling his edgy churchgoer, and he didn't explicitly disavow Stone Choir and others commending him for this, so this was taken as proof positive that he's aligned with muh fascists - this caused various attacks, deplatforming, and friendly fire for Joel and other pastors and teachers in the blast radius [which would need its own tl;dr](https://twitter.com/TheJollyBrawler/status/1856010534799507467).
Joel didn't explicitly disavow Stone Choir by name at the time (from what I can see), but he made it clear he doesn't hold their fashy views, so this eventually took the heat off and led to some apologies, semi-apologies, etc.
During this mess, [the Antioch Declaration](https://antiochdeclaration.com) was posted, endorsed by James White and other big-name "judeo-Christian" teachers, enshrining a set of all-new Christian sins: antisemitism, questioning the holyhoax, etc. The Declaration is no [Ninety-five Theses](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ninety-five_Theses): it doesn't name names or target a specific denomination etc., so its purpose is essentially incomprehensible if you don't have the context of the Twitter drama - it's clearly written to attack very specific teachings of unnamed fash theologians, but the average Christian simply doesn't believe any of that... so who or what is it attacking?
Remember, Stone Choir weren't well known (yet!), but James White etc. were - so their foolish Antioch Declaration triggered a [Streisand effect](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Streisand_effect). Major websites like Protestia started questioning it: [The Absurd-ioch Declaration?](https://protestia.com/2024/11/25/the-absurd-ioch-declaration/); while formally disavowing Stone Choir, the mere mention of the Choir team meant free coverage. Even worse, they started questioning aspects of the globohomo religion that defined the Declaration's new "sins": [Now’s The Time for Christians to Question the Post-War Consensus](https://protestia.com/2024/11/25/nows-the-time-for-christians-to-question-the-post-war-consensus/)
> most of post-war consensus is far less specific [...] Why did Hitler invade Poland? He was evil. Why did Germany fall in lockstep behind Hitler? He spoke well and it was mesmerizing. Why did Churchill want a world war? Hitler would have invaded all of Europe. When did the origins of World War II begin? Not a day before January 30, 1933.
Even Joel eventually acknowledged that this whole saga ultimately resulted in [a Total Aryan Victory for Stone Choir](https://twitter.com/rightresponsem/status/1862719627668680736).
**Is believing the holocaust happened a required Christian belief?**
Not a meme. This is what caused all of this. It didn't start with Stone Choir.
Long before the controversy: Stone Choir has existed for a few years but were largely unknown in mainstream Christian circles. The Choir team have made no secret about questioning the bogus holocaust narrative (see last year's episode [The Big Lie](https://stone-choir.com/the-big-lie/)). Their stance is clearly not "the holocaust did happen and it was great" or "it didn't happen but it should have", but they do have various other ConPro-esque stances ("[If your children are different colors, then you are unfit for the office of pastor](https://twitter.com/CoreyJMahler/status/1859271454594097614)").
The controversy begins: earlier this year, an unnamed member of pastor Joel Webbon's church posted an unspecified holocaust meme online. Rando internet users called for Joel to expel the church member, but Joel instead followed Jesus's discipline model (Matthew 18): Joel talked to the member and learned the member simply doubted the holocaust narrative, so Joel didn't kick the member out of the church.
Alongside this taking place, the Stone Choir team (and others) made tweets supporting Joel's correct application of Biblical discipline and willingness to accept that the flimsy holohoax narrative was not a Christian teaching. Due to the nature of Twitter, many of his Twitter followers read the tweets quoting/commenting on Joel's posts and learned about Stone Choir for the first time.
Joel made an explanation video ([When A Member In Our Church Shared A Holocaust Meme](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pj7L7b66xLY)). Joel committed holyhoax sacrilege by not expelling his edgy churchgoer, and he didn't explicitly disavow Stone Choir and others commending him for this, so this was taken as proof positive that he's aligned with muh fascists - this caused various attacks, deplatforming, and friendly fire for Joel and other pastors and teachers in the blast radius [which would need its own tl;dr](https://twitter.com/TheJollyBrawler/status/1856010534799507467).
Joel didn't explicitly disavow Stone Choir by name at the time (from what I can see), but he made it clear he doesn't hold their fashy views, so this eventually took the heat off and led to some apologies, semi-apologies, etc.
During this mess, [the Antioch Declaration](https://antiochdeclaration.com) was posted, endorsed by James White and other big-name "judeo-Christian" teachers, enshrining a set of all-new Christian sins: antisemitism, questioning the holyhoax, etc. The Declaration is no [Ninety-five Theses](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ninety-five_Theses): it doesn't name names or target a specific denomination etc., so its purpose is essentially incomprehensible if you don't have the context of the Twitter drama - it's clearly written to attack very specific teachings of unnamed fash theologians, but the average Christian simply doesn't believe any of that... so who or what is it attacking?
Remember, Stone Choir weren't well known (yet!), but James White etc. were - so their foolish Antioch Declaration triggered a [Streisand effect](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Streisand_effect). Major websites like Protestia started questioning it: [The Absurd-ioch Declaration?](https://protestia.com/2024/11/25/the-absurd-ioch-declaration/); while formally disavowing Stone Choir, the mere mention of the Choir team meant free coverage. Even worse, they started questioning aspects of the globohomo religion that defined the Declaration's new "sins": [Now’s The Time for Christians to Question the Post-War Consensus](https://protestia.com/2024/11/25/nows-the-time-for-christians-to-question-the-post-war-consensus/)
> most of post-war consensus is far less specific [...] Why did Hitler invade Poland? He was evil. Why did Germany fall in lockstep behind Hitler? He spoke well and it was mesmerizing. Why did Churchill want a world war? Hitler would have invaded all of Europe. When did the origins of World War II begin? Not a day before January 30, 1933.
Even Joel eventually acknowledged that this whole saga ultimately resulted in [a Total Aryan Victory for Stone Choir](https://twitter.com/rightresponsem/status/1862719627668680736).
Churches are nothing but apostate faggotry now
Thats why we must take the Seminaries. The Catholic Church is very low on priests at the moment and will probably take anyone they can get. If we simply flood the seminaries with disenfranchised young men who have been screwed by globalhomo, we can purge the modernists.
boomers are a lost cause, the jew offered them mammon in exchange for their children, European Christian heritage, their nation, family, and future. the boomers accepted the offer. There is no salvation or atonement for them in their twilight years for what they have done.
I've been confused about who DW has been feuding with for like the last month because he is seemingly incapable of being clear or concise.
It all started with a holocaust meme (yes, really); [see my tl;dr explanation post](https://scored.co/c/ConsumeProduct/p/199hzPBylE/reformed-boomers-are-losing-it-s/c/4ZGTvL45WMb).
Some of the rifts caused by this will be permanent, all because the holohoax is being mistaken for a Christian tenet.
Some of the rifts caused by this will be permanent, all because the holohoax is being mistaken for a Christian tenet.
Thanks, I knew there was a meme involved. I didn't realize that the Moscow crew were trying to make it a heresy to question the gorillions.
Wasn't there also some shenanigans with Joel Webbon and a German pastor?
Wasn't there also some shenanigans with Joel Webbon and a German pastor?
The German pastor is Tobias Riemenschneider, covered in [this timeline breakdown on Twitter](https://twitter.com/TheJollyBrawler/status/1856010534799507467).
Tobias's inaugural Kingdom Talk episode [Right Response to Joel Webbon](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bWDa_VUzKF8) is one long criticism of Joel's response to the churchgoer's 'sin'. It's a very strange 'influencer'-style format where Tobias watches the video of Joel and then pauses to comment or criticise. If Tobias had brought Joel onto the show as a guest this could have been a very interesting episode (if they both kept their cool), but instead it's this weird one-sided attack better reserved for actual heretics.
Eschatology Matters took down the episode soon after and [issued an apology](https://twitter.com/Eschatology22/status/1851753381410349216).
In fairness to Tobias, being a German means he's shackled with the Original Sin of Holobunga from birth.
The downside of enshrining the hoax as a core pillar of Germanness is the hordes of new arrivals who are 100% guilt-free (even if it really did happen). [The fight for Germany’s ‘memory culture’](https://archive.is/En033):
> in a country where one in four citizens hails from an immigrant community, can the Holocaust — and Germany’s postwar reaction to the Holocaust — really remain a political guiding light, let alone a component of national identity, for all?
Tobias's inaugural Kingdom Talk episode [Right Response to Joel Webbon](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bWDa_VUzKF8) is one long criticism of Joel's response to the churchgoer's 'sin'. It's a very strange 'influencer'-style format where Tobias watches the video of Joel and then pauses to comment or criticise. If Tobias had brought Joel onto the show as a guest this could have been a very interesting episode (if they both kept their cool), but instead it's this weird one-sided attack better reserved for actual heretics.
Eschatology Matters took down the episode soon after and [issued an apology](https://twitter.com/Eschatology22/status/1851753381410349216).
In fairness to Tobias, being a German means he's shackled with the Original Sin of Holobunga from birth.
The downside of enshrining the hoax as a core pillar of Germanness is the hordes of new arrivals who are 100% guilt-free (even if it really did happen). [The fight for Germany’s ‘memory culture’](https://archive.is/En033):
> in a country where one in four citizens hails from an immigrant community, can the Holocaust — and Germany’s postwar reaction to the Holocaust — really remain a political guiding light, let alone a component of national identity, for all?
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Yes, fuck niggers, fuck kikes.
Just SAY what you want to say without being a complete faggot playing word games to appear smart without actually being.
I noticed the same thing with preachers who reference "the original Greek text". One will use it to make what the Bible says more clear and the other will use it to sound smart and make the Bible say something it doesn't.