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tl;dr for this saga:
**Is believing the holocaust happened a required Christian belief?**
Not a meme. This is what caused all of this. It didn't start with Stone Choir.
Long before the controversy: Stone Choir has existed for a few years but were largely unknown in mainstream Christian circles. The Choir team have made no secret about questioning the bogus holocaust narrative (see last year's episode [The Big Lie](https://stone-choir.com/the-big-lie/)). Their stance is clearly not "the holocaust did happen and it was great" or "it didn't happen but it should have", but they do have various other ConPro-esque stances ("[If your children are different colors, then you are unfit for the office of pastor](https://twitter.com/CoreyJMahler/status/1859271454594097614)").
The controversy begins: earlier this year, an unnamed member of pastor Joel Webbon's church posted an unspecified holocaust meme online. Rando internet users called for Joel to expel the church member, but Joel instead followed Jesus's discipline model (Matthew 18): Joel talked to the member and learned the member simply doubted the holocaust narrative, so Joel didn't kick the member out of the church.
Alongside this taking place, the Stone Choir team (and others) made tweets supporting Joel's correct application of Biblical discipline and willingness to accept that the flimsy holohoax narrative was not a Christian teaching. Due to the nature of Twitter, many of his Twitter followers read the tweets quoting/commenting on Joel's posts and learned about Stone Choir for the first time.
Joel made an explanation video ([When A Member In Our Church Shared A Holocaust Meme](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pj7L7b66xLY)). Joel committed holyhoax sacrilege by not expelling his edgy churchgoer, and he didn't explicitly disavow Stone Choir and others commending him for this, so this was taken as proof positive that he's aligned with muh fascists - this caused various attacks, deplatforming, and friendly fire for Joel and other pastors and teachers in the blast radius [which would need its own tl;dr](https://twitter.com/TheJollyBrawler/status/1856010534799507467).
Joel didn't explicitly disavow Stone Choir by name at the time (from what I can see), but he made it clear he doesn't hold their fashy views, so this eventually took the heat off and led to some apologies, semi-apologies, etc.
During this mess, [the Antioch Declaration](https://antiochdeclaration.com) was posted, endorsed by James White and other big-name "judeo-Christian" teachers, enshrining a set of all-new Christian sins: antisemitism, questioning the holyhoax, etc. The Declaration is no [Ninety-five Theses](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ninety-five_Theses): it doesn't name names or target a specific denomination etc., so its purpose is essentially incomprehensible if you don't have the context of the Twitter drama - it's clearly written to attack very specific teachings of unnamed fash theologians, but the average Christian simply doesn't believe any of that... so who or what is it attacking?
Remember, Stone Choir weren't well known (yet!), but James White etc. were - so their foolish Antioch Declaration triggered a [Streisand effect](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Streisand_effect). Major websites like Protestia started questioning it: [The Absurd-ioch Declaration?](https://protestia.com/2024/11/25/the-absurd-ioch-declaration/); while formally disavowing Stone Choir, the mere mention of the Choir team meant free coverage. Even worse, they started questioning aspects of the globohomo religion that defined the Declaration's new "sins": [Now’s The Time for Christians to Question the Post-War Consensus](https://protestia.com/2024/11/25/nows-the-time-for-christians-to-question-the-post-war-consensus/)
> most of post-war consensus is far less specific [...] Why did Hitler invade Poland? He was evil. Why did Germany fall in lockstep behind Hitler? He spoke well and it was mesmerizing. Why did Churchill want a world war? Hitler would have invaded all of Europe. When did the origins of World War II begin? Not a day before January 30, 1933.
Even Joel eventually acknowledged that this whole saga ultimately resulted in [a Total Aryan Victory for Stone Choir](https://twitter.com/rightresponsem/status/1862719627668680736).
**Is believing the holocaust happened a required Christian belief?**
Not a meme. This is what caused all of this. It didn't start with Stone Choir.
Long before the controversy: Stone Choir has existed for a few years but were largely unknown in mainstream Christian circles. The Choir team have made no secret about questioning the bogus holocaust narrative (see last year's episode [The Big Lie](https://stone-choir.com/the-big-lie/)). Their stance is clearly not "the holocaust did happen and it was great" or "it didn't happen but it should have", but they do have various other ConPro-esque stances ("[If your children are different colors, then you are unfit for the office of pastor](https://twitter.com/CoreyJMahler/status/1859271454594097614)").
The controversy begins: earlier this year, an unnamed member of pastor Joel Webbon's church posted an unspecified holocaust meme online. Rando internet users called for Joel to expel the church member, but Joel instead followed Jesus's discipline model (Matthew 18): Joel talked to the member and learned the member simply doubted the holocaust narrative, so Joel didn't kick the member out of the church.
Alongside this taking place, the Stone Choir team (and others) made tweets supporting Joel's correct application of Biblical discipline and willingness to accept that the flimsy holohoax narrative was not a Christian teaching. Due to the nature of Twitter, many of his Twitter followers read the tweets quoting/commenting on Joel's posts and learned about Stone Choir for the first time.
Joel made an explanation video ([When A Member In Our Church Shared A Holocaust Meme](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pj7L7b66xLY)). Joel committed holyhoax sacrilege by not expelling his edgy churchgoer, and he didn't explicitly disavow Stone Choir and others commending him for this, so this was taken as proof positive that he's aligned with muh fascists - this caused various attacks, deplatforming, and friendly fire for Joel and other pastors and teachers in the blast radius [which would need its own tl;dr](https://twitter.com/TheJollyBrawler/status/1856010534799507467).
Joel didn't explicitly disavow Stone Choir by name at the time (from what I can see), but he made it clear he doesn't hold their fashy views, so this eventually took the heat off and led to some apologies, semi-apologies, etc.
During this mess, [the Antioch Declaration](https://antiochdeclaration.com) was posted, endorsed by James White and other big-name "judeo-Christian" teachers, enshrining a set of all-new Christian sins: antisemitism, questioning the holyhoax, etc. The Declaration is no [Ninety-five Theses](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ninety-five_Theses): it doesn't name names or target a specific denomination etc., so its purpose is essentially incomprehensible if you don't have the context of the Twitter drama - it's clearly written to attack very specific teachings of unnamed fash theologians, but the average Christian simply doesn't believe any of that... so who or what is it attacking?
Remember, Stone Choir weren't well known (yet!), but James White etc. were - so their foolish Antioch Declaration triggered a [Streisand effect](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Streisand_effect). Major websites like Protestia started questioning it: [The Absurd-ioch Declaration?](https://protestia.com/2024/11/25/the-absurd-ioch-declaration/); while formally disavowing Stone Choir, the mere mention of the Choir team meant free coverage. Even worse, they started questioning aspects of the globohomo religion that defined the Declaration's new "sins": [Now’s The Time for Christians to Question the Post-War Consensus](https://protestia.com/2024/11/25/nows-the-time-for-christians-to-question-the-post-war-consensus/)
> most of post-war consensus is far less specific [...] Why did Hitler invade Poland? He was evil. Why did Germany fall in lockstep behind Hitler? He spoke well and it was mesmerizing. Why did Churchill want a world war? Hitler would have invaded all of Europe. When did the origins of World War II begin? Not a day before January 30, 1933.
Even Joel eventually acknowledged that this whole saga ultimately resulted in [a Total Aryan Victory for Stone Choir](https://twitter.com/rightresponsem/status/1862719627668680736).