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Mohamedans had the same disdain for science and learning back then as they do today.
They were (whoever it was) just a little faster at best.
Newsflash: you don't know that. The Mayans used a vigesimal (base 20) number system, the Babylonians used a sexagesimal (base 60) number system, and the Egyptians used a duo-decimal (base 12) number system.
The moment you count something, you're doing addition. The moment you trade, you must use numbers. It's really inevitable.
To formalize all of it and expand its scope is another step. It's not like we had a shortage of inventors and geniuses, given that almost all were White.
This is what you claimed:
> we'd have come to the decimal system too...
And you have no way of knowing that.
> It's not like we had a shortage of inventors and geniuses, given that almost all were White.
Romans say hello. MMMCMXCIX.
> Algebra is...
...discovered, studied and spread by a Muslim.
It's likely that it comes to base 10 system, but as I said:
> It's not the best, a hexadecimal system would have been better, but good enough.
But this isn't significant. It's just a number system, and it's mostly about familiarity. One could simply learn to calculate in hexadecimal right now. We are just used to a decimal system our entire lives.
> ...discovered, studied and spread by a Muslim.
From [here](https://www.mathtutordvd.com/public/Who-Invented-Algebra.cfm):
> There are fundamental ideas that relate to algebra that were discovered multiple times by different people who weren't aware of the discoveries being made in other parts of the world. In ancient times, it was comment for discoveries to be made in parallel by different people, as news was slow to travel.
> Ancient Babylon and Egypt are the two places that were at the center of the development of algebra. Both of these civilizations used algebra in different ways and for different reasons, but it's generally accepted that it was the Babylonians who first made basic use of algebra and pioneered its beginnings in the field of mathematics. There is evidence of this that dates back as far as 1900 to 1600 BC. The tablet known as the Plimpton 322 tablet displays Pythagorean triples and other forms of mathematics.
The only difference is that it was "invented" (discovered) ***again*** in a time where the flow of information was more advanced, namely in writing. The muslim was the first one who managed to break through and spread it in a way that lasted. You are hereby permitted to stop sucking muslim dick sore.
The mathematical and logical principles are universally the same, and whoever wants to come up with any system of logic or math will ultimately end up in the SAME system. "Universal" implies it applies for the entire universe.
As for your claims...
Why do you not take the extra minute to validate your information and avoid embarrassing yourself? Is it out of malice or is it incompetence?
> Avicenna
Muslim[1].
> Ibn al-Haytham
Muslim[2].
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[1]
> Avicenna was first schooled in the Quran and literature, and by the age of 10, he had memorized the entire Quran.
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Avicenna
[2]
> Alhazen was a Muslim and most sources report that he was a Sunni and a follower of the Ash'ari school.
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ibn_al-Haytham
All of which weren’t invented by Muslims; that’s the pattern.
>Why do you not take the extra minute to validate your information and avoid embarrassing yourself?
The goddamned irony.
>[wikipedia links]
That’s cute. Did you miss the part where ***they were all excommunicated for blasphemy*** for daring to claim that the universe is ordered and operates according to quantifiable rules, as opposed to the whims of Allah? They weren’t Muslim. “Memorizing a book” does not make you a Muslim, dipshit.
- There's no such faggy thing as excommunication in Islam.
- If you cared to read instead of spreading your venom, you'd see that if you MEMORIZE 604 pages of the Quran, you'd be a devout Muslim, and he certainly was. Read his biography that's avail for all ignoramuses to grow.
FYI:
1. *Algorithm*:
- Muhammad ibn Musa al-Khwarizmi (Persian Muslim)
- 9th century, Baghdad, Iraq
- Al-Khwarizmi's book "Al-Kitab al-mukhtasar fi hisab al-jabr wa'l-muqabala" introduced algebraic methods and Arabic numerals.
2. *Algebra*:
- Muhammad ibn Musa al-Khwarizmi (Persian Muslim)
- 9th century, Baghdad, Iraq
- Al-Khwarizmi's book "Al-Kitab al-mukhtasar fi hisab al-jabr wa'l-muqabala" established algebra as a distinct mathematical discipline.
3. *Alchemy*:
- Ancient Greek roots: Empedocles (Pagan) and Aristotle (Pagan)
- Islamic Golden Age: Jabir ibn Hayyan (Persian Muslim), known as Geber
- 8th century, Baghdad, Iraq
- Jabir ibn Hayyan developed alchemical theories and experimental methods.
4. *Altitude* (concept):
- Ancient Greek roots: Eratosthenes (Pagan)
- Islamic Golden Age: Al-Biruni (Persian Muslim)
- 11th century, Central Asia
- Al-Biruni measured Earth's radius and developed trigonometric methods for calculating altitude.
Other notable contributors:
- Al-Kindi (Persian Muslim): Contributed to algebra, cryptography, and optics.
- Ibn Sina (Persian Muslim): Made significant contributions to medicine, philosophy, and mathematics.
- Ibn Rushd (Arab Muslim): Influenced European thought on philosophy, medicine, and astronomy.
**Avicenna!** He denied Allah’s omniscience, claiming his knowledge was only of the universal principles of the universe, not the daily events of our lives. For this, he was accused of [blasphemy](https://archive.is/OQFr2) by Ibn Qayyim al-Jawziyya, Abu al-Ghazali, and others. **According to Islam’s rules, he was not a Muslim.**
**Averroes!** He was accused of blasphemy, persecuted, his books were [burned](http://web.archive.org/web/20241120181300/https://digital.csic.es/bitstream/10261/10093/3/Religious_dissension_al_Andalus.pdf), and he was [banished](https://archive.is/2uZdm) to Marrakesh. **According to Islam’s rules, he was not a Muslim.**
**Al-Razi!** He denied the world was created from nothing, that Faith is superior to Reason, that Muhammad told only the truth, and disavowed the utility of revealed religions in general. He also [called](https://archive.is/GjrhP#selection-1211.915-1211.999) the Quran “a collection of absurd fables.” He was accused of apostasy. **According to Islam’s rules, he was not a Muslim.**
**Ibn al-Haytham!** Formulated an early version of the scientific method, stating that every hypothesis must be supported by empirical data and experiments, not only by holy texts. **According to Islam’s rules, he was not a Muslim.**
**Al-Sarakhsi!** A philosopher who studied the Greeks and dared to apply rationality to the study of the holy books. He was executed in 899 AD for apostasy. **According to Islam’s rules, he was not a Muslim.**
**Al-Farabi!** Another philosopher who denied resurrection and thought reason was superior to faith. He was accused of apostasy. **According to Islam’s rules, he was not a Muslim.**
As for your claims,
Diophantus beat al-Khwarizmi by 600 years. In addition to admitting that Greeks did it first, Jabir ibn Hayyan *isn’t even recognized as having ever lived at all.* Even if he did, whether he was formally Muslim or an explicitly non-Muslim client of someone else is still unknown. And you even fucking admitted that Eratosthenes beat Al-Biruni by centuries. Why bring that shit up? Al-Kindi? You mean the guy who expounded on earlier Greek works in optics? And who said the Quran was wrong about the nature of the universe?
# THERE WAS NO ISLAMIC GOLDEN AGE. Islam is axiomatically antithetical to scientific endeavor.
Averroes: Yeah, he got persecuted and his books were burned, but that was mostly about politics, not him outright denying Islam. He still called himself a Muslim, despite the heat.
Al-Razi: You claim he denied creation from nothing and trashed the Quran. Sure, he was skeptical, but he still identified as a Muslim. His critiques were part of a bigger philosophical convo.
Ibn al-Haytham: You think he ditched religious texts for science? Not really. He focused on observation and experiments but still worked within Islamic thought.
Al-Sarakhsi: Saying he was executed for apostasy? Where's the proof? Plenty of scholars from that era explored rational ideas without getting killed for it.
Al-Farabi: You say he denied resurrection and was accused of apostasy? He definitely pushed boundaries but tried to reconcile those ideas with Islam.
And about the "Islamic Golden Age": it was a legit time for breakthroughs in science, math, and philosophy. Think Al-Khwarizmi and Ibn al-Haytham -- huge contributions that can't just be brushed aside.
So yeah, these guys challenged norms but also added a ton to science, the intellectual scene and Islamic thought. Let's not just slap labels on them or ignore their impact.