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posted 1 year ago by idrago01 on scored.co (+0 / -0 / +9Score on mirror )
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TallestSkil on scored.co
1 year ago 20 points (+0 / -0 / +20Score on mirror ) 2 children
# HITLER’S GENERALS BETRAYED HIM AND LOST THE EASTERN FRONT.

Don’t fucking tell me I’m the only person on the Internet who has brought this up. You’re watching a scripted Hollywood movie and the ✡screenwriters✡ are laughing their asses off at you.
SFAM1A on scored.co
1 year ago 4 points (+0 / -0 / +4Score on mirror ) 1 child
T, have you ever read *Hitler's Revolution* by Richard Tedore? I've heard lots of good things about it and am told that it really goes in depth on this topic.
TallestSkil on scored.co
1 year ago 4 points (+0 / -0 / +4Score on mirror ) 1 child
Yes, I highly recommend it. It’s one of the first books I read when I was waking up.
SFAM1A on scored.co
1 year ago 3 points (+0 / -0 / +3Score on mirror ) 1 child
Nice. I have it, but haven't read it yet. Came highly recommended to me by a fren I know IRL
HEXEN on scored.co
1 year ago 1 point (+0 / -0 / +1Score on mirror ) 1 child
Damn. I used to have a bookmarked audiobook, but the two hosted pages have been deleted.

Knew I should have tried to snag it.
SFAM1A on scored.co
1 year ago 1 point (+0 / -0 / +1Score on mirror ) 1 child
Bought mine online no problem

https://www.booksamillion.com/p/Hitlers-Revolution/Tedor-Richard/9780988368231
idrago01 on scored.co
1 year ago 1 point (+0 / -0 / +1Score on mirror ) 1 child
maybe decimate the british first instead of fighting a two front war?
TallestSkil on scored.co
1 year ago 5 points (+0 / -0 / +5Score on mirror ) 1 child
Except Stalin was going to surprise attack Germany three weeks after Germany invaded. This was proven by documents the Germans found during their advance. They had no choice.
PurestEvil on scored.co
1 year ago 3 points (+0 / -0 / +3Score on mirror ) 1 child
To add to that, Hitler considered the element of surprise a military advantage (which it clearly was), and talking about a possible attack would have eliminated that. So it had to be kept in secret, and when it happened, it was a big surprise for everyone, even for the German people.

And the Soviets planned all of that from the very beginning. They accepted the pact knowing that "the capitalists" will be in war with each other and exhaust themselves - and when that happens, they come in snatch up the rest to conquer all of Europe.

So even if Hitler didn't attack, the Soviets would have attacked in 3 weeks. Even if they wouldn't have attacked in 3 weeks, they'd have waited for the right moment to strike. And there is no guarantee that the West was willing and/or able to fight them anyway, so even if they'd have attacked Germany, they'd consider it a good gesture, so the entire East would have been fucked anyway. Or if it came too late and come after the rest (and not directly against Germany), they'd have done nothing.

And given the uncertainty Hitler had to deal with, there was no obvious best decision. Of all possible choices he might have chosen one of the best. The others were based on hoping the Soviets wouldn't attack and wait too long to make their move. His choice required the West not to be so utterly kiked as to attack Germany from the West as he fended off the communist threat from East.
idrago01 on scored.co
1 year ago 1 point (+0 / -0 / +1Score on mirror ) 1 child
hindsight is everything, but defending an attack from russia where germany is entrenched and at a major military advantage seems easier than trying to slog through the winter capturing abandoned frozen cities as the russian forces peel back and retreat leaving their supply lines open to attack and your resources depleted for the western front
PurestEvil on scored.co
1 year ago 0 points (+0 / -0 ) 1 child
According to Hitler the war went well in the beginning, and indeed the Germans went up to Stalingrad as proof. The problem was that 1. the Soviets received continuous support from the good ol' Americans, and 2. Germany was attacked from the West and had to split forces. And the Allies were busy "demoralizing" these evil Nazis by killing a LOT of civilians in Dresden by dropping various types of bombs so that civilian killings were maximized. And 3. the Germans should have pulled out, but it was probably too late, as the involvement in the war against the Soviets was too much to show up with insufficient results... and also considering things like morale.
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