1 year ago20 points(+0/-0/+20Score on mirror)2 children
# HITLER’S GENERALS BETRAYED HIM AND LOST THE EASTERN FRONT.
Don’t fucking tell me I’m the only person on the Internet who has brought this up. You’re watching a scripted Hollywood movie and the ✡screenwriters✡ are laughing their asses off at you.
1 year ago4 points(+0/-0/+4Score on mirror)1 child
T, have you ever read *Hitler's Revolution* by Richard Tedore? I've heard lots of good things about it and am told that it really goes in depth on this topic.
1 year ago5 points(+0/-0/+5Score on mirror)1 child
Except Stalin was going to surprise attack Germany three weeks after Germany invaded. This was proven by documents the Germans found during their advance. They had no choice.
1 year ago3 points(+0/-0/+3Score on mirror)1 child
To add to that, Hitler considered the element of surprise a military advantage (which it clearly was), and talking about a possible attack would have eliminated that. So it had to be kept in secret, and when it happened, it was a big surprise for everyone, even for the German people.
And the Soviets planned all of that from the very beginning. They accepted the pact knowing that "the capitalists" will be in war with each other and exhaust themselves - and when that happens, they come in snatch up the rest to conquer all of Europe.
So even if Hitler didn't attack, the Soviets would have attacked in 3 weeks. Even if they wouldn't have attacked in 3 weeks, they'd have waited for the right moment to strike. And there is no guarantee that the West was willing and/or able to fight them anyway, so even if they'd have attacked Germany, they'd consider it a good gesture, so the entire East would have been fucked anyway. Or if it came too late and come after the rest (and not directly against Germany), they'd have done nothing.
And given the uncertainty Hitler had to deal with, there was no obvious best decision. Of all possible choices he might have chosen one of the best. The others were based on hoping the Soviets wouldn't attack and wait too long to make their move. His choice required the West not to be so utterly kiked as to attack Germany from the West as he fended off the communist threat from East.
hindsight is everything, but defending an attack from russia where germany is entrenched and at a major military advantage seems easier than trying to slog through the winter capturing abandoned frozen cities as the russian forces peel back and retreat leaving their supply lines open to attack and your resources depleted for the western front
According to Hitler the war went well in the beginning, and indeed the Germans went up to Stalingrad as proof. The problem was that 1. the Soviets received continuous support from the good ol' Americans, and 2. Germany was attacked from the West and had to split forces. And the Allies were busy "demoralizing" these evil Nazis by killing a LOT of civilians in Dresden by dropping various types of bombs so that civilian killings were maximized. And 3. the Germans should have pulled out, but it was probably too late, as the involvement in the war against the Soviets was too much to show up with insufficient results... and also considering things like morale.
same, sadly trump is a giant liberal at heart who gets taken advantage of easily, even if he wins no one is going to jail, they’ll get off like they always do, and his great ideas like the border wall, mass deportations, and abolishing federal taxes will fall apart due to faggot rino republicans voting in lockstep with the typical globohomo jews
Don’t fucking tell me I’m the only person on the Internet who has brought this up. You’re watching a scripted Hollywood movie and the ✡screenwriters✡ are laughing their asses off at you.
Knew I should have tried to snag it.
https://www.booksamillion.com/p/Hitlers-Revolution/Tedor-Richard/9780988368231
And the Soviets planned all of that from the very beginning. They accepted the pact knowing that "the capitalists" will be in war with each other and exhaust themselves - and when that happens, they come in snatch up the rest to conquer all of Europe.
So even if Hitler didn't attack, the Soviets would have attacked in 3 weeks. Even if they wouldn't have attacked in 3 weeks, they'd have waited for the right moment to strike. And there is no guarantee that the West was willing and/or able to fight them anyway, so even if they'd have attacked Germany, they'd consider it a good gesture, so the entire East would have been fucked anyway. Or if it came too late and come after the rest (and not directly against Germany), they'd have done nothing.
And given the uncertainty Hitler had to deal with, there was no obvious best decision. Of all possible choices he might have chosen one of the best. The others were based on hoping the Soviets wouldn't attack and wait too long to make their move. His choice required the West not to be so utterly kiked as to attack Germany from the West as he fended off the communist threat from East.