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1 year ago7 points(+0/-0/+7Score on mirror)1 child
WWII was a bloody conflict that resulted in the senseless death of many Europeans. But should we really blame this on the defense of Germany, and not on the aggression of the Allied Forces?
1 year ago4 points(+0/-0/+4Score on mirror)2 children
>unwanted
The issue is that due to pearl harbor, the circumstances of which were created entirely on purpose to get the US into the war, most people *did* support the war. But what else are you gonna do? There was virtually no alternative media because the FDR administration censored everyone. It looked like the germans were supporting the evil tojos who bombed pearl harbor, so they hated America by proxy and had to go.
You can see how utterly massive the shift in opinions was here. It legitimately cannot be overstated: https://exhibitions.ushmm.org/americans-and-the-holocaust/us-public-opinion-world-war-II-1939-1941
Like I’ve said before, I might be a Natsoc but my own line isn’t worth venerating, got here, fought for kikes the fell into the rat race and for every fake and gay thing imaginable.
And it is striking that Japan would even be motivated to attack a giant like USA without having ulterior motives led by ulterior people. They were not wrong to want US UK FR out of the east but they knew it was stupid and the Emperor was definitely being manipulated.
The logic really *was* there, Japan had a vastly superior navy and air force at the time and decimated the US navy contingency in Hawaii, and continued to win most naval battles against the US until midway. It would under normal circumstances be safe to assume that they'd start vying for peace especially since Japan was otherwise a country that the US had very little vested interest in and which did not hold anything the US wanted.
The reason the gamble never paid off was because the US government wanted the war in the first place. Under normal circumstances it very well could have paid off immensely.
They had invaded China and South Asia. At that point they simply did not have the tactical advantage to start another front with the US. US was not interfering with Japan's invasion and Japan could not hold on to islands they took, they must have been aware of that. It makes no sense to have attacked the US at that point.
1 year ago4 points(+0/-0/+4Score on mirror)1 child
There was a negative outcome from everyone's choices and actions, sure. But I don't think it's fair to blame Germany, the victims of the war. Perhaps if they were uniquely bloodthirsty or unnecessarily violent, but I think they did the best they could to defend their nation
You can not say Germany did not overreach which led to far worse outcomes. No one was the good guy. Germany going to Paris was too much. Germany taking all of Poland was too much. Germany then turning towards Russia to all the way to Moscow was absurdly stupid even without couch quarterback hindsight. Italy going as far as they did was too much. The whole thing was a clusterfuck and every one deserves blame. Germany was not suffering economically from any trade issues or encroachment that would have inspired 1 or 2.. in fact they thrived with help after 1 in order to even have 2 ~20 years later.
I don't know if I could claim that any nation returning to historic borders, or even extending them, is certainly overreach. And if you look at the numbers for the French invasion or the taking of Poland. 60-70,000 casualties in each conflict seems pretty well managed for a world war that would go on to hit those numbers a hundredfold
Ayh never said war and killing is bad. It seems like your pea brain infers stuff more readily to suit your own perspectives of opposition rather than reading and absorbing. And since you claimed you have read more of my posts then you know ayh am of the few here arguing for a total destruction of America by way of war and killing, so that we can begin again. Thus proving you are a dense self-absorbed moron.
Ayh also blame US peasants for not over throwing their government when they committed to war in Europe when it was 100% unnecessary and unwanted.
Ditto to the first WW when absolutely no American wanted to be involved.
The issue is that due to pearl harbor, the circumstances of which were created entirely on purpose to get the US into the war, most people *did* support the war. But what else are you gonna do? There was virtually no alternative media because the FDR administration censored everyone. It looked like the germans were supporting the evil tojos who bombed pearl harbor, so they hated America by proxy and had to go.
You can see how utterly massive the shift in opinions was here. It legitimately cannot be overstated: https://exhibitions.ushmm.org/americans-and-the-holocaust/us-public-opinion-world-war-II-1939-1941
And it is striking that Japan would even be motivated to attack a giant like USA without having ulterior motives led by ulterior people. They were not wrong to want US UK FR out of the east but they knew it was stupid and the Emperor was definitely being manipulated.
The reason the gamble never paid off was because the US government wanted the war in the first place. Under normal circumstances it very well could have paid off immensely.
>extending them
>not overreach
C'mon --> https://www.history.com/d-day-operation-overlord-timeline-map/images/occupation_map.gif
Hitler could have been a living legend had he shown restraint but nope.. and then he lost for it. Truth is, he was not in charge.
They propagandized Germans.
They manipulated Germans in to funding the war machine. Fine example was VW.
They enacted strict rules that penalized a lot of people instigating fear of resistance of government.
They disappeared people.
They absolutely brainwashed children in to the youth programs.
You are way too delicate thinking Germany was a good guy either.
There is no political solution.