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The issue is that due to pearl harbor, the circumstances of which were created entirely on purpose to get the US into the war, most people *did* support the war. But what else are you gonna do? There was virtually no alternative media because the FDR administration censored everyone. It looked like the germans were supporting the evil tojos who bombed pearl harbor, so they hated America by proxy and had to go.
You can see how utterly massive the shift in opinions was here. It legitimately cannot be overstated: https://exhibitions.ushmm.org/americans-and-the-holocaust/us-public-opinion-world-war-II-1939-1941
Like I’ve said before, I might be a Natsoc but my own line isn’t worth venerating, got here, fought for kikes the fell into the rat race and for every fake and gay thing imaginable.
And it is striking that Japan would even be motivated to attack a giant like USA without having ulterior motives led by ulterior people. They were not wrong to want US UK FR out of the east but they knew it was stupid and the Emperor was definitely being manipulated.
The logic really *was* there, Japan had a vastly superior navy and air force at the time and decimated the US navy contingency in Hawaii, and continued to win most naval battles against the US until midway. It would under normal circumstances be safe to assume that they'd start vying for peace especially since Japan was otherwise a country that the US had very little vested interest in and which did not hold anything the US wanted.
The reason the gamble never paid off was because the US government wanted the war in the first place. Under normal circumstances it very well could have paid off immensely.
They had invaded China and South Asia. At that point they simply did not have the tactical advantage to start another front with the US. US was not interfering with Japan's invasion and Japan could not hold on to islands they took, they must have been aware of that. It makes no sense to have attacked the US at that point.
Upon further research, the pearl harbor strategy was largely the fault of extremist army hardliners who had infiltrated key ministerial and military leadership positions and were mostly uncontrollable. There was a monarchist and democratic faction in the army and, oddly enough, the democratic faction was significantly more brutal and extremist. They were the toseiha faction and the kodoha faction. The "control" faction and the "imperial way" faction.
The defeat of the kodoha faction was solidified with the elevation of Tojo to the position as the effective leader of Japan's military, as tojo was the premier toseiha. It was initially planned for him to Unite the 2 factions, but this obviously failed, and the army would go on basically doing whatever the fuck it wanted for the next 8 years or so.
The navy remained mostly kodoha, which is why the army and the navy despised each other, but the army had a bigger dick to swing around than the navy (even though, in Japan's case, it really should have been the other way around), so the toseiha made almost all foreign policy decisions.
This was also the impetus behind the showa revolution, the attempt by junior kodoha military officers to remove the toseiha from power. This failed disastrously (obviously).
The toseiha believed they could win against anyone because of japanese superiority, the kodoha were mode realist, and knew that Japan was fucked after pearl harbor.
On that note, I understand why the toseiha *thought* they would win and the logic behind it. Japan was an uninteresting country to the US for most of history, it's understandable to assume that defeat after defeat that the US would surrender, even if they could win, just to avoid prolonging a pointless war (and it was a pointless war, Japan had no more intention of doing anything to the US than Germany did to Britain), but they didn't know that the US loves pointless wars and wanted to enter this one purposefully to fight for ZOG.
If the circumstances were not as fucked as they actually were, I believe it would still be a decent shot. Japan extended their *army* to conquer Indochina and China, they didn't do very much with their navy because they didn't have to. Japan barely used its army in the early stages of the war with the US, neither did the US use their army, it was all naval and air warfare, which Japan was superior at for the first 2 and possibly even 3 years of the conflict (the US continued to suffer occasional defeats after midway). They knew that the US would win if they industrialized, they didn't assume that they would never surrender over the overall pointless conflict.
If you take a birds eye view of it even further, Japan knew that the west was Christian. Christian war doctrine is essentially to surrender to a foe who has no intention of really doing anything to your people to minimize the amount of suffering possible. What did a war to make *japan* capitulate look like at the time? Hundreds of thousands of soldiers dying on hostile islands, and potentially millions on the main island, where everyone hates them, to protect absolutely nobody in america from the Japanese. This was a fucking stupid concept, Japan knew it, and so any good Christian *would have* surrendered after a few defeated battles to avoid this happening. But the US government was and is ran by jews who want to kill as many whites and Japanese as possible, and they invented the atomic bomb to avoid a possible (likely, actually) failed guerilla war that would have humiliated them.
The issue is that due to pearl harbor, the circumstances of which were created entirely on purpose to get the US into the war, most people *did* support the war. But what else are you gonna do? There was virtually no alternative media because the FDR administration censored everyone. It looked like the germans were supporting the evil tojos who bombed pearl harbor, so they hated America by proxy and had to go.
You can see how utterly massive the shift in opinions was here. It legitimately cannot be overstated: https://exhibitions.ushmm.org/americans-and-the-holocaust/us-public-opinion-world-war-II-1939-1941
And it is striking that Japan would even be motivated to attack a giant like USA without having ulterior motives led by ulterior people. They were not wrong to want US UK FR out of the east but they knew it was stupid and the Emperor was definitely being manipulated.
The reason the gamble never paid off was because the US government wanted the war in the first place. Under normal circumstances it very well could have paid off immensely.
The defeat of the kodoha faction was solidified with the elevation of Tojo to the position as the effective leader of Japan's military, as tojo was the premier toseiha. It was initially planned for him to Unite the 2 factions, but this obviously failed, and the army would go on basically doing whatever the fuck it wanted for the next 8 years or so.
The navy remained mostly kodoha, which is why the army and the navy despised each other, but the army had a bigger dick to swing around than the navy (even though, in Japan's case, it really should have been the other way around), so the toseiha made almost all foreign policy decisions.
This was also the impetus behind the showa revolution, the attempt by junior kodoha military officers to remove the toseiha from power. This failed disastrously (obviously).
The toseiha believed they could win against anyone because of japanese superiority, the kodoha were mode realist, and knew that Japan was fucked after pearl harbor.
On that note, I understand why the toseiha *thought* they would win and the logic behind it. Japan was an uninteresting country to the US for most of history, it's understandable to assume that defeat after defeat that the US would surrender, even if they could win, just to avoid prolonging a pointless war (and it was a pointless war, Japan had no more intention of doing anything to the US than Germany did to Britain), but they didn't know that the US loves pointless wars and wanted to enter this one purposefully to fight for ZOG.
If the circumstances were not as fucked as they actually were, I believe it would still be a decent shot. Japan extended their *army* to conquer Indochina and China, they didn't do very much with their navy because they didn't have to. Japan barely used its army in the early stages of the war with the US, neither did the US use their army, it was all naval and air warfare, which Japan was superior at for the first 2 and possibly even 3 years of the conflict (the US continued to suffer occasional defeats after midway). They knew that the US would win if they industrialized, they didn't assume that they would never surrender over the overall pointless conflict.
If you take a birds eye view of it even further, Japan knew that the west was Christian. Christian war doctrine is essentially to surrender to a foe who has no intention of really doing anything to your people to minimize the amount of suffering possible. What did a war to make *japan* capitulate look like at the time? Hundreds of thousands of soldiers dying on hostile islands, and potentially millions on the main island, where everyone hates them, to protect absolutely nobody in america from the Japanese. This was a fucking stupid concept, Japan knew it, and so any good Christian *would have* surrendered after a few defeated battles to avoid this happening. But the US government was and is ran by jews who want to kill as many whites and Japanese as possible, and they invented the atomic bomb to avoid a possible (likely, actually) failed guerilla war that would have humiliated them.