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There was a negative outcome from everyone's choices and actions, sure. But I don't think it's fair to blame Germany, the victims of the war. Perhaps if they were uniquely bloodthirsty or unnecessarily violent, but I think they did the best they could to defend their nation
You can not say Germany did not overreach which led to far worse outcomes. No one was the good guy. Germany going to Paris was too much. Germany taking all of Poland was too much. Germany then turning towards Russia to all the way to Moscow was absurdly stupid even without couch quarterback hindsight. Italy going as far as they did was too much. The whole thing was a clusterfuck and every one deserves blame. Germany was not suffering economically from any trade issues or encroachment that would have inspired 1 or 2.. in fact they thrived with help after 1 in order to even have 2 ~20 years later.
I don't know if I could claim that any nation returning to historic borders, or even extending them, is certainly overreach. And if you look at the numbers for the French invasion or the taking of Poland. 60-70,000 casualties in each conflict seems pretty well managed for a world war that would go on to hit those numbers a hundredfold
Conflating allies and wartime occupation with Germany's actual borders doesn't make for a winning argument. Compare a map of the German Empire and German speaking Europe to the borders of Nazi Germany, and you'll understand what "historic" and "not overreach" means
German Empire never includes France (sans Vichy since you refuse allies that effectively were led by German influence) German Empire never held Norwegian territory, that was Rus. Never held North African or Middle Eastern. That was British, French, Belgian, Roman, Greek, etc etc but never German. Austria, some of Poland but not all of it, is about it for hundreds of years of Germany.
>extending them
>not overreach
C'mon --> https://www.history.com/d-day-operation-overlord-timeline-map/images/occupation_map.gif
Hitler could have been a living legend had he shown restraint but nope.. and then he lost for it. Truth is, he was not in charge.
It was overreaching.