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I meet a girl at church and we've been dating for a few months. She's literally a debt free virgin with no tattoos. She can cook. She's very nice. She likes me a lot. She wants to have kids, is good with kids, and would like to stay at home taking care of them, at least for their youngest years. She's open to homeschooling. She says she's not cut out for a career and doesn't understand why women try to prioritize them. That said, she is smart and has a good job and can take care of herself responsibly. Her parents are very well off. She respects men and men's roles, and believes in the biblical arrangement of the woman being subordinate to the man. She is very emotionally aware, even of her own flaws and biases, and she's communicates well about it. We have many overlapping media interests when it comes to nerdy stuff, but she shares my view that it's cringey to obsess too much over as an adult, and that most new stuff is pretty bad and/or degenerate. She is willing to stand by her own perspective, (which is always reasonable), even when it puts her at odds with the typical consensus, even of a female social group. She thinks I am funny and she is encouraging. We worked together on a minor construction project and worked well as a team.

However, I simply don't long to be with her. She's not my type physically. We get along well personality wise, but I find nothing especially enchanting about her presence. She doesn't light up my day. She doesn't inspire me. I don't miss her when we're apart.

I also haven't revealed my power level. She's on board with typical un-PC ideas like "It's shitty when they try to inject diversity into everything", and she has some based biblical takes. But I haven't tested her any further than that, such as with opinions like "We don't need a border wall when a couple pickup trucks with mounted machine guns would do the trick."

She ticks so many boxes on paper that I feel it'd be crazy to pull away. But I'm just not feeling anything. I can tell she's falling for me a lot more than I'm falling for her. I worry that if I can't love her, then who can I love? How am I going to find anyone else like this? And if I did, would I feel the same? Have I been alone too long to form a real relationship? Or have I been alone too long to see the specialness of a relationship when I find one?

I promise that ConPro is not the only place I'm looking to for advice. But I do want to hear what you have to say. Thanks, bros.
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deleted 1 year ago 20 points (+0 / -0 / +20Score on mirror ) 1 child
WeedleTLiar on scored.co
1 year ago 6 points (+0 / -0 / +6Score on mirror ) 1 child
>If you aren’t attracted to her at all for whatever reason… only you can decide that.

If he wasn't, why are they together now? He must at least enjoy spending time together or they'd have never hit it off.
Crockett on scored.co
1 year ago 4 points (+0 / -0 / +4Score on mirror ) 2 children
>If he wasn't, why are they together now?

We are in a church small group together so I got to know her a bit before considering anything romantic. Also, she asked me out first. I wasn't attracted enough to make a move, but I knew she had enough to offer to say yes.
ApexVeritas on scored.co
1 year ago 9 points (+0 / -0 / +9Score on mirror ) 2 children
Apologies for being blunt, but: is she fat? What exactly is wrong with her appearance that you're not physically attracted to her? With all of her positive traits you listed, most guys would be fine if she was at least a step above hideous, because she sounds awesome.
GoldenInnosStatue on scored.co
1 year ago 9 points (+0 / -0 / +9Score on mirror )
>is she fat?

asking the important questions
Crockett on scored.co
1 year ago 4 points (+0 / -0 / +4Score on mirror ) 3 children
She's not fat exactly, but she's not small. Her body is more shapeless and saggy, despite still being in her 20s. She has a very weak chin, which is probably the most significant factor of her face. The rest of her face isn't very feminine. Her face could kind of pass for that of a British man. Her hair is wavy and a bit frizzled, which is not my thing. She is tall for a woman, just short of my height, which is exactly what I prefer. Her head looks kind of small on her body, especially when she puts her hair up. But sometimes when her hair has more volume and is more asymmetrical, I like it.
ScallionPancake on scored.co
1 year ago 9 points (+0 / -0 / +9Score on mirror )
So is it anything that can be fixed if you two just get fit?

Go to the gym, take her with you. Go hiking. Etc.


Anyone can have a good looking body when they get off goyslop and get active.
GoldenInnosStatue on scored.co
1 year ago 1 point (+0 / -0 / +1Score on mirror ) 4 children
>She has a very weak chin, which is probably the most significant factor of her face. The rest of her face isn't very feminine. Her face could kind of pass for that of a British man

are you sure "she" isn't a tranny?
ApexVeritas on scored.co
1 year ago 0 points (+0 / -0 )
Well, looks can be drastically improved in everyone by eating right, exercising, and getting fit. Losing weight drastically changes the face, too. If it's something worth pursuing, only you can be the judge of that.


In any case, I will say that physical attraction is a key component to any healthy marriage. Before I was redpilled, I was in a relationship with a woman who didn't take care of herself. I thought I could overlook it, but I was wrong. On the other side, though, in a healthy marriage, many men grow to love their spouse in spite of their physical flaws, especially as they provide them children and a loving home.


If it's worth pursuing (for you), ask her if she'd be willing to get healthy with/for you. No need to pussyfoot around the subject, just be gentle. Most good women, if they're dedicating themselves to a man, will strive to be what the man needs of them.
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Gottmituns_ on scored.co
1 year ago 17 points (+0 / -0 / +17Score on mirror ) 3 children
I was in your situation and I married a woman I was not attracted to. **Take my advice and don't listen to anyone else's speculative musings.** Years ago I met a girl who checked all the boxes, debt free virgin w/o tattoos or piercings, intelligent and caring, very attracted to me. I held off dating her because she wasn't my type and, like you, I didn't feel that initial rush. We had "chemistry" but it was more of a social comfortableness I felt around her than me wanting to spend every second with her.

Eventually though I realized that what I wanted and what I needed in a wife were two very different things. Back then I was young and degenerate, and I wanted that passionate feeling of what I thought was love. I wanted excitement instead of stability, and physical attraction instead of emotional compatibility. I decided to commit to her, and after dating mostly long distance for almost four years, we got married. At the time I still felt like I was settling. Rationally I knew I was making the right decision but emotionally everything felt wrong and horrible. It was so bad that I can honestly say one of the hardest things I have ever done was walk out to the alter on my wedding day and stand there before God, feeling like a hypocrite and a failure.

Years later though, we are happily married with two beautiful children. She respects and cherishes me, and I love her more than I have loved any one in my life. When you're young and immature you never actually feel love. It's just a mixture of lust, jealousy, and horniness. Love is something you grow over time, intentionally, that can carry you through anything. You can be attracted to someone's body sexually, but as soon as they get fat, ugly, or old that disappears. If you love someone's body it's because you love their soul. I recommend you give this girl of yours a chance. Remember you're playing the long game, and a few years of anxiety when you're young and stupid is well worth a fulfilling marriage for the rest of your life.

The last thing I'll say is that about a year or so into our marriage I became extremely attracted to my wife. Even after two kids I still am (if you know what you're doing this doesn't actually change much), and she is to me. Appearance is way more malleable than you would think and after a year or so of eating right and exercising you're basically a new person. You are incredibly fortunate you have found such an excellent woman, especially in these times. I know you may not feel this way, but trust me that in a few years you certainly will. God be with you and feel free to reach out if you have questions.
HEXEN on scored.co
1 year ago 6 points (+0 / -0 / +6Score on mirror )
> When you're young and immature you never actually feel love. It's just a mixture of lust, jealousy, and horniness. Love is something you grow over time, intentionally, that can carry you through anything.

Poetry.

I think there's a rare 1 out of 5000 that gets to marry their high school sweetheart, and just never sees or wants anyone else.
BelievingDidymus on scored.co
1 year ago 3 points (+0 / -0 / +3Score on mirror )
Having a wife who obeys, worships you, builds you up, and bares your seed is what grows long lasting attraction into your 80s.

Nothing more attractive than your beautiful pregnant wife.
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Knight_Of_Saint_John on scored.co
1 year ago 10 points (+0 / -0 / +10Score on mirror ) 2 children
>I can tell she's falling for me a lot more than I'm falling for her

You know this is actually a good thing that assures you she'll stay together through thick and thin

I understand that lack of physical attraction probably makes you question, but unless she's physically deformed its not really a factor... Like can you get hard in her presence? If yes then i don't see the problem

If no then your balls are telling you something

Overall this is female thinking, females always think they can get a better man even they're in relationship

Masculine thinking is basically thinking long-game, how many children does she want, will she homeschool them and make them homecooked meals that sort of thing

I for one, don't care if a lass is mid-looking as long as her voice is soft and her **soul** is genuine
WeedleTLiar on scored.co
1 year ago 3 points (+0 / -0 / +3Score on mirror )
>Overall this is female thinking

Copy that, feelings are for Queers.

I'm willing to bet there's stuff that you want, but know you shouldn't have. Just because you feel want, does not mean you should consoom. This is the corolary: you don't feel want, but this is something you know you should have.

The "love at first sight" crap is Disney wish fulfillment. Wouldn't it be nice if there was a magic way to find your perfect partner, rather than having to put work into relationships? There isn't, but some people like to pretend.
Crockett on scored.co
1 year ago 0 points (+0 / -0 ) 1 child
>Like can you get hard in her presence? If yes then i don't see the problem. If no then your balls are telling you something

Well, I haven't gotten hard in her presence yet. But also, I've been suffering from generally depressed sex drive for the past few months anyway, which is a whole other health concern. I made major strides in a battle against porn addiction a while ago. But my brain has become so desexualized now that I wonder if I even conquered anything or if my balls just died. I feel a lack of vitality, including in life and ambition in general. This is embarrassing to talk about. But it's a high profile health concern for me right now.

>Overall this is female thinking

Yes, and that's another element that makes me feel guilty about all of this. I don't want to be like that, but anxiety and uncertainty cloud my judgement.
GoldenInnosStatue on scored.co
1 year ago 3 points (+0 / -0 / +3Score on mirror ) 1 child
>I've been suffering from generally depressed sex drive for the past few months anyway

Zinc and D3 supplements will re-ignite your balls

>I made major strides in a battle against porn addiction a while ago

how long is your nofap journey?

>I feel a lack of vitality, including in life and ambition in general

well you gotta fix that brother, do some heavy lifting, some boxing, some running, make yourself FEEL alive, and the best way to get that is through **struggle**

>but anxiety and uncertainty cloud my judgement

that and low tesosterone, you really gotta hit the weights bro, it will clear the brainfog that has accumilated through porn-abuse

that and fasting, fasting makes a whole system reset

and i'm not talking about 12 hour fast, i'm talking about 24 hour fast

the last few hours will be hard for you but you'll regain the mastery over your own body if you do so.
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GoldenInnosStatue on scored.co
1 year ago 1 point (+0 / -0 / +1Score on mirror ) 2 children
interesting... have you tried it yourself? and if so which brand would you recommend?
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AmericanInterests on scored.co
1 year ago 8 points (+0 / -0 / +8Score on mirror ) 1 child
How much of your idea of what makes a woman attractive have been dictated to you by porno and other degenerate kike media? Because you're never going to meet a girl who look like at TV goyslop whore and who also has decent morals, they don't exist. Good women look like Eva Braun
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kensai on scored.co
1 year ago 6 points (+0 / -0 / +6Score on mirror ) 1 child
Such a large reddit post to basically say she's fat and you don't find her attractive.

You could get her to go to the gym with you and work out to get that ass right. Is that the problem or is her face fucked?
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kensai on scored.co
1 year ago 2 points (+0 / -0 / +2Score on mirror )
I agree with you. In the long term side of things beauty is temporary, the 'I'm in love' feeling never lasts forever even with the hottest woman.

Worst of all. The hotter the woman, the more competition, history, guy 'friends' she will have and the whole 'wholesome' trad 9s and 10s are rarer than morally courageous non whites.
fourleaved on scored.co
1 year ago 4 points (+0 / -0 / +4Score on mirror )
A rock and a hard place, eh? On the one hand you may be turning away a good thing, on the other hand you may be settling for someone you can't truly love and by extension taking away her chance to find someone who can.

Ultimately only you know all the cards at play, so you have to weigh your options. Pretty unhelpful, I know. But just thought I would reassure you that the decision is in your hands.
HEXEN on scored.co
1 year ago 4 points (+0 / -0 / +4Score on mirror )
I see a lot of myself in this post. A lot.

If you're both ready to give it a shot and make it work, nothing can stop you. As u/_Adolf_liebt_Eva_ said, love can (and in my opinion, should) be cultivated.

There's a lot of good women that are just plain and simple. Hearts of gold if any man gave them a shot and brought them out of their shell. You don't want to throw that away for some attractive bimbo with a personality akin to a cunt, or some nebulous woman you think you might one day meet in the future. That's mans innate nature, and you have to tame it somewhat.

True love will grow with time. It's not as exciting or romantic as what lust can conjure up, but it is stronger. You want someone you can communicate and talk with 5, 10, 20 years later and still have things to say. Tits will sag, waistlines will eventually grow, but a woman who can make you laugh is invaluable.

My woman and I were not each others type, so to speak. We're both decent looking, but not what each other would generally gravitate towards. We both decided (independently) to give someone different a shot, because our radars were so shit at finding decent partners. We're just shy of 10 years.

You do have to understand what you're surrendering as a man, though, and be at peace with it. Trust me when I tell you, no pair of tits, tight legs or pretty wavy hair will ever make me cheat on my wife. We've grown something together for almost a decade that no one else can bring to the table. We have history and understanding together that no one else can ever offer.

So regardless of how we felt about each other at the beginning, we're deeply in love and connected now.

Grab her up.
JesusSupporter33 on scored.co
1 year ago 4 points (+0 / -0 / +4Score on mirror ) 1 child
How fat is she? If she's not a lard ass then congratulations, you're a retard.

But anyway, just tell her you're a nazi, despise the jew establishment and see where it goes from there. If she passes that test then tell her she has to delete all her social media/ entertainment accounts because she's being influenced by jewish satanism. Most likely she'll distance herself, problem solved. If not.... Well you've got a keeper unfortunately(?).

GoldenInnosStatue on scored.co
1 year ago 3 points (+0 / -0 / +3Score on mirror ) 2 children
> just tell her you're a nazi, despise the jew establishment

i can't tell if this is genuine advise or just bad advise, because usually talking about the kikes is like foid cryptonite unless she respects you (and this is the KEY to redpilling NPC's in general, make them respect you and THEN you can lay on the spikes)

PolandCanIntoSpace on scored.co
1 year ago 4 points (+0 / -0 / +4Score on mirror ) 2 children
It's stupid advice. He see's that the guy has a good catch and to prevent them being happy and having white kids, he's trying to get him to scare her off with natsoc. 19 day account and uses the screen name "JesusSupporter"? All I can say is... Whacha doin' there, rabbi?
GoldenInnosStatue on scored.co
1 year ago 1 point (+0 / -0 / +1Score on mirror ) 1 child
Hmm... he's a freshman but haven't comitted any great sins so far

i'll do keep an eye on it
JesusSupporter33 on scored.co
1 year ago 0 points (+0 / -0 )
 A FRESHMAN?!!
JesusSupporter33 on scored.co
1 year ago 1 point (+0 / -0 / +1Score on mirror ) 1 child
Bro his post is about how he's trying to either cope with her or get out of the relationship.

That's not a healthy set up for a marriage and he's just going to waste his time.
PolandCanIntoSpace on scored.co
1 year ago 1 point (+0 / -0 / +1Score on mirror ) 1 child
"Tell her you're a nazi" is going to kill the relationship. That needs to be eased in. You aren't going to find a girl that's ok with you being something she was told is the worst possible thing in the world for her entire life, unless you literally met her at some white power rally. People are brainwashed...
JesusSupporter33 on scored.co
1 year ago 1 point (+0 / -0 / +1Score on mirror )
I don't think you understand what I'm saying.

That is my point. Kill the relationship. He doesn't like her. Settling for someone you can't love is going to cause issues later in time.
JesusSupporter33 on scored.co
1 year ago 4 points (+0 / -0 / +4Score on mirror )
Exactly. He doesn't want her anyway. Best way to get her to hit the road.
Delon on scored.co
1 year ago 3 points (+0 / -0 / +3Score on mirror ) 1 child
could it be that you simply have had different experiences with women and you have lost your ability to pair a bond? Most red blooded males would fornicate with a woman as long as she breathes and shows interest, most would jump on an opportunity to date one that makes a good partner and shows interest like a jew jumping on a functioning homogenous society. I find it highly unlikely that she is so hideous as for most men to say no to, so therefore you are either highly attractive and have had experiences with much more attractive women and find her looks lacking, or you simple have lost that pair bonding ability, like a roastie that jumps back to the abusive "chad" while her mind constantly points her towards the "safe choice" normie
Crockett on scored.co
1 year ago 1 point (+0 / -0 / +1Score on mirror ) 1 child
I'm not a Chad and have only been in one other relationship. If my brain is broken it's due to pornographic fantasies. That's a real concern I have.

The things is, there are a number of women who aren't "everything I fantasize about" that I've found immediately attractive just because I met them IRL and see them as a real person. Usually just finding out that someone likes me is a turn on. But it hasn't happened with her.
Delon on scored.co
1 year ago 2 points (+0 / -0 / +2Score on mirror )
then she is either hideous or as i said your pair bonding ability is fried
Death_By_Usury on scored.co
1 year ago 3 points (+0 / -0 / +3Score on mirror )
If you want excitement, ride a roller coaster or wrestle alligators. If you want a woman that's worth a damn, invest in this one.
KyleIsThisTall on scored.co
1 year ago 2 points (+0 / -0 / +2Score on mirror )
Put a bag over her head
detransthrowaway on scored.co
1 year ago 2 points (+0 / -0 / +2Score on mirror )
This depends. She's clearly into you, but you're not the other way. it would be foolish to pull away, yes, but clearly this isn't your type. I'd suggest hanging in a while longer. You've got a rare find, but it's not what you're looking for. You've not been alone too long to form a relationship, she might just not be your type now. That can change. If it does, and you realize that you really, truly love this woman, good for you, you're set for life. If it doesn't, she might realize that you don't reciprocate and break away, and you gain a new friend.

Best of luck, anon.
PolandCanIntoSpace on scored.co
1 year ago 2 points (+0 / -0 / +2Score on mirror )
If there's no spark you will always be tempted to look elsewhere and you will ultimately waste your life never being happy.
heebcooker on scored.co
1 year ago 2 points (+0 / -0 / +2Score on mirror )
i have the solution

give me her number and lose it
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iideathyii on scored.co
1 year ago 1 point (+0 / -0 / +1Score on mirror )
Your Children will take after you with Gene dominance. What your wife looks like is a secondary issue. You don't need a 10. If she has a beatiful soul and isn't overweight then she is a winner. Porn and whorish women have ruined perception of what an ideal women is. Look back at women from the 30-40s. Men looked for quality of character, if their hips could easily bare many kids. ect.
TakenusernameA on scored.co
1 year ago 1 point (+0 / -0 / +1Score on mirror ) 1 child
>> She's not my type physically. We get along well personality wise, but I find nothing especially enchanting about her presence. She doesn't light up my day. She doesn't inspire me. I don't miss her when we're apart.

All that is gay stuff that the jewish media has convince people to base their marriages on, knowing that attraction fades with age. Thats why we have such a ridiculous divorce rate, people get married based off of lust that will often disappear within the first year, and then find out they have nothing in common and hate each other. Youve found a very good woman, find out what you have in common with her, if there truly is nothing, direct her to a man you would know is good for her. The fact that your with her to begin with is a sign that theres *something* between you, and it probably is something that you can form a life-long bond with her over.
Crockett on scored.co
1 year ago 0 points (+0 / -0 )
I'm not trying to demand "love at first sight infatuation." I think it's bad to base a relationship on looks, because looks always fade while everything else should grow. I'm not naive about wanting everything to be perfect fairy tale, especially from the start.

But I do believe there is supposed to be an initial spark, and it isn't there. Even personality wise, we are *compatible* but I haven't felt that longing. I meet a girl last year who I was immediately taken with, but she quickly rejected my advances. I know what the pull feels like. It isn't everything, but it should be there to some degree, right?
Flarisu on scored.co
1 year ago 1 point (+0 / -0 / +1Score on mirror )
You're overthinking it. It's worth a shot.
You're way overthinking it. Even the worst decisions I made in my life were still worth making.
TestableHypothesis on scored.co
1 year ago 1 point (+0 / -0 / +1Score on mirror )
What do you want to do with your life? Is fulfilling your carnal desires at the top, or does raising your own food and children rank higher?
If you have noble goals and aspirations, and she is with you all the way, you will cherish her more than anything.
Read Proverbs 31. Pay attention to verses 10 & 30; they are the only ones that reference beauty.
Trasheconomy on scored.co
1 year ago 1 point (+0 / -0 / +1Score on mirror )
So you found your first nice girl, congrats! The way you describe her makes her sound pretty darn uggo and if you think that now you’re going to stay thinking that. The reason she is “saggy” like you’re describing is her own choice.

A competent woman knows how to be attractive to men and *makes* themselves attractive to men. Half of this is just adopting the personality and interests of a man they like and the other half is making themselves physically attractive to them. Right now you’re trying to decide if half the effort is okay. But you’re worth the whole thing, king.

I went on a date a while back with this beautiful blond haired blue eyed young lady. The most bubbly, charming, and sweet personality with her life shit together and serious. But when I went on my first date with her I realized that she used to be extremely overweight and had gone through a lot of surgery to lose weight. But she still had these BIG tucks of skin and some fat around her stomach, hips and thighs, kinda looked melted. I thought it was sad and I felt bad but I ultimately didn’t see her again because of that. Because I knew that I was worth more than that. That I don’t need to settle for someone busted.

I think it’s nice you found someone who seems great in paper, but what I’m getting at is that these things can be faked, but if she’s not willing to put in the other half to be attractive, she’s probably not the one, and you deserve the one.
albatrosv15 on scored.co
1 year ago 0 points (+0 / -0 )
Love can be grown. Or at least stockholm syndrome style.
wankingisgay on scored.co
1 year ago 0 points (+0 / -0 )
Did you ever have a relationship? Were you attracted to them? Why ?
PurestEvil on scored.co
1 year ago 0 points (+0 / -0 )
> She ticks so many boxes on paper that I feel it'd be crazy to pull away.

Yeah, sounds like that.

> then who can I love? How am I going to find anyone else like this?

They are probably quite rare, so you likely won't.

> Have I been alone too long to form a real relationship?

Sounds like that, yes.

> She's not fat exactly, but she's not small.

Ah I see. That's a problem. What you are dealing with is ~5/10, who is around ~0/10 on the crazy scale. There is that hot-crazy scale, and the hotter she is, the crazier she is allowed to be. In your case you may get bored by her "basicness", aka her craziness and hotness levels are too low for you.

I don't know how to approach it, but if you want to keep up that relationship you need to introduce something exciting. Maybe it cannot be fixed. Don't expect you can fix her, that will cause frustration on both sides if she is not doing it or doing it involuntarily. Also it may be temporary and it's likely to rebound over time, causing you to struggle to keep her fit.
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FuckMcNuggets on scored.co
1 year ago 0 points (+0 / -0 )
If you decide she's good enough for you and you want to spend your life with her, you'll be in love in no time. What do you mean she's not your type phisically? Is she just ugly or fat? If she is alright (meaning healthy and white) you're gonna get used to her and once that happens your idea of what your type is will be based on her.
Erase99 on scored.co
1 year ago 0 points (+0 / -0 )
OP I would talk to an older man in your church that you trust who is married and has children and isn't a divorcee and doesn't run around on his wife.

I'd say marrying just to marry is a bad idea. I would personally not marry a woman I had no attraction to. However, the most important quality in a mate is being easy to live with, not being attractive. It's tough. You see why you need to talk to an older married man in the church?
BlippiIsAPedo on scored.co
1 year ago 0 points (+0 / -0 )
Are you going to lust after other women because she isnt your type later in life?
derjudenjager on scored.co
1 year ago 0 points (+0 / -0 )
Stop being stupid.
gomera on scored.co
1 year ago 0 points (+0 / -0 )
Dude, stop being a fag. You're supposed to have children with her, and then raise the next generation.

Oh no, you're sacrificing hawt sex!!!
Ihatetheanti-Christ on scored.co
1 year ago 0 points (+0 / -0 )
You are a faggot
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