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It's true but unfortunately, both those communities had jewish mods at the onset so the subversion was from day 1. TheDonald at least resisted until Jan 6 when the jewish mods finally had leverage to scare the other mods into submission.

Got banned for simply saying nigger. So in addition to being cucks for the jew, they love them some niggers.

They will ban you eventually if you're critical of Jews and get on TheImp1's radar. Especially if you comment on Ukraine/Russia. One of the mods is very sensitive to those topics. Posting a rt link even if it's to do with women can get you banned on MGTOW.

Society expects you to die without children and be replaced by niggers. MGTOW is a community celebrating how they’re doing exactly what they’re being told to do by society.

LOL, they banned me...never commented.

They act like the women they hate.

It’s the whole “end your bloodline because some things are tough” mentality that I despise. When the fuck *aren’t* there hardships. It’s mathematically impossible to not have some easy things and some hard things in life.

I'll be as blunt with you as possible. The lack of transparency in MGTOW makes them come off as nefarious and up to no good while they are just men trying to find themselves in an age of heightened male disposability. So, I'll tell you everything as best as I understand them.

> You sound more like an MRA. MGTOW people tend to call it a "lifestyle choice," but they're pretty bad at deciding what they even are.

I know they have a hard time deciding on their life’s calling. But that's a personal matter; nobody is immune from it. MGTOW is a way of life about cutting the ties that link men to the feminine and aiding them chart their own authentic (masculine) path with the backing and support of a community of like-minded individuals; we focus on building group solidarity so that members feel empowered enough to say "No!" when the likes of cuck Jordan Peterson tells them marry even as the law emasculates them.

The MRA elements to MGTOW are still present for the mere fact we are striking against male disposability and gynocentrism (two things we consider political in nature since they pertain to laws and rules.)

The [MGTOW entry](https://wiki4men.com/wiki/Men_Going_Their_Own_Way) in Wiki4Men further clarifies the ties with the following: “A core tenet of MGTOW is rejection of gynocentrism, the preferential concern for women in both traditional and progressive forms” and “The proposition for political apartisanship, however, carries no moral authority for individual MGTOW who are free by definition to choose any political alignment they wish”; and finally, “MGTOW can be viewed as an economic weapon that operates in tandem with the Men's Rights Movement.”

On top of that, plenty of MRAs endorse the MGTOW philosophy and many of them are in fact MGTOW; so the separation between MGTOW and MRA is not so clearcut.

> MGTOW are pretty consistently anti-natalist though.

Concerning anti-natalism, they aren't majorly in support of any of that. MGTOW guys fetishize having kids and possessing a womb. This has been a consistent pattern in the community as this [search](https://communities.win/search?query=wombs&community=MGTOW) reveals the topic of artificial wombs never died for years, though if the search included comments it would have showed tons of other results. Sandman still focuses on neonatal technologies for giving men access to birthing kids, and Barbarossa suggested for a long time and in many podcasts men should use surrogacy to have kids instead. I never saw any other group in favor of these technologies as much as MGTOW. Even feminists fear such scenarios where men don’t need women anymore for reproduction.

So, the idea they are anti-natalist misses that they are anti-natalist with women only. Individually and away from women, they think they should have kids.

> I can't imagine them doing much of anything other than laughing at a "simp" in response to a man having an issue with a divorce, custody, or unwanted pregnancy. They tend to be anti-social spiteful mutant types.

I'm split between two reactions here. First, fuck them! Let them suffer! Whoever signs the gynocentric contract in these deeply feminist times is complicit in the destruction wrought upon millions of men. On the other hand, I apologize on behalf of other MGTOW for such attitudes. I have had to correct one MGTOW once because he was crashed by these false beliefs about “simping” in [Feeling a bit heavy](https://archive.is/WsuFC#selection-995.0-995.166). He was happier for it. But even then, we remain the most understanding compassionate group for men who are used and abused by the gynocentric system and the vindictive bitches.

The issue with MGTOW is larger than that though. ٍSome MGTOW guys were speculating as to why we are like this. Just take u/TheImpossible1 for instance and even u/DangZagnut. I’ve known these guys for over 5 years now — first, on Reddit and then GYOW forum, and then they are here on Scored expressing the same ideas I’ve always known them for believing. One argument is that there’s a biological disposition for MGTOW, the same way researchers found that autism creates disposition for Inceldom. In MGTOW, INTJ and INFJ is probably prevalent though only few sent me their result but I think nearly all of them have similar psychology.

> I don't think that's going to help your case here.

No, it does. OP said that MGTOW is a death cult — they are ending their genetic line and letting other races especially Jews takeover. He also says that we are in the business of producing sufficient levels of apathy in white people to allow the debauchery to go on and destroy more lives. If MGTOW is a Jewish ploy to weaken us, why then would they use it on themselves? If Jews are participating in MGTOW, and urging other Torah observers to join in, that's your rebuttal for all these accusations.