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posted 1 month ago by Heliocentric on scored.co (+0 / -0 / +79Score on mirror )
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PurestEvil on scored.co
1 month ago 25 points (+0 / -0 / +25Score on mirror ) 2 children
No amount of reading can compensate a lack of rational thinking based on first principles. However knowledge about history is useful - many things happened in many places across multiple millennia. It's like multiple simulations ran its course, giving answers to the "what if"s.

This means one can argue monarchy is a bad system, because in theory it's just some family owning the country, but apparently it prevailed for many millennia across the world, and all the countries that had monarchy prevailed till today. So clearly the theories are lackluster.

And due to Democracy we are heading towards extinction, so evolutionarily speaking - if these systems brought us to extinction, how good are these systems really?

But if you have to read things in order to figure out that niggers are bad for our societies, then you just speak from a lack of common sense. The facts are there and apparent *right now* - just think.
they-see-me-trollin on scored.co
1 month ago 9 points (+0 / -0 / +9Score on mirror ) 2 children
this. they rarely read the originals, rather read what modern takes people have, usually short form, reddit tier, superficial trash.

and then they ignore virtually all historical context, picking and choosing only the tiny tidbits that don't completely blow over their position.

and when you highlight that every far left society ever has resulted in mass killings of their own people, they first try to pilpul the topic away, but ultimately wear it as a badge of pride... after all, the non-comrades were the tens of millions who were exterminated. they're absolutely okay with mass killings, do long as its those who stand against the far left revolution.
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biggusniggus on scored.co
1 month ago 10 points (+0 / -0 / +10Score on mirror ) 3 children
Did they read Marx, or look at what any of the communist revolutions across russia, asia, and africa accomplished? I mean, I haven't read most of those gents but the Gulag Archipelego, Marx and some general history should be enough to make you absolutely horrified of communism (or socialism) coming your way.
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devotech2 on scored.co
1 month ago 10 points (+0 / -0 / +10Score on mirror )
Honestly, marx isn't super profound. I'm quite familiar with his works. With the exception of the manifesto, he advocates for nothing really. He just explained what capitalism is based on an extrapolated version of Adam Smith's labor theory of value. Marx's core critique of capitalism influenced far, far more than the marxists themselves. And in his critiques he was prophetic. The fault lay in the manifesto and in several of his essays, where he does indeed lay out a solution. The worker control of the MOP isn't even the core issue here, even fascist italy implemented this policy in the social Republic (and mussolini probably planned to the whole time). Even hitler, in a complicated way, implemented effective state socialism by ensuring every major industry was headed by a guy in government (even if in name it was "private").

The slander that the NSDAP is "actually capitalist" is from the rather ignorant mouth of Otto Strasser, and this lie from this relatively obscure figure forever lingers in leftist consciousness. Lets hear it from the horses mouth, from the real communists: Lenin never said "fascism is capitalism in decay" (because it isnt and he never thought this). The USSR never called hitlers Germany or mussolinis Italy capitalist, not a single time. They recognized fascism, accurately, as something different. At one point as an ally and at the next an enemy. This slander is something that appeared after ww2 among western leftists. Of course the ussr wasn't a stranger to throwing the word "fascist" around, however they did not conflate them with liberals either.

 The problem, of course, with traditional marxism is onviously internationalism.

Furthermore, I consider that Israel must be destroyed
That_Which_Lurks on scored.co
1 month ago 3 points (+0 / -0 / +3Score on mirror )
Just go watch Dr. Zhivago. That will show you everything you need to know about 'muh communism'.
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BlueDrache on scored.co
1 month ago 1 point (+0 / -0 / +1Score on mirror )
REAL Communism hasn't been tried yet!!
TheMafia on scored.co
1 month ago 5 points (+0 / -0 / +5Score on mirror ) 1 child
what theory?

these dudes just bloviated to the extreme. it's inconsistent half thought out bullshit. it drives you mad just to try to get through any of it.

when someone tells you to "read marx" they are indicating they have the brain of a toddler.
WeedleTLiar on scored.co
1 month ago 1 point (+0 / -0 / +1Score on mirror ) 1 child
I never had a clue what Zizek was talking about, but that could be his disgusting speech impediment.
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WeedleTLiar on scored.co
1 month ago 2 points (+0 / -0 / +2Score on mirror )
I think I remember that one because Peterson also seemed to have a hard time understanding what he was saying.
Megaboom2025 on scored.co
1 month ago 2 points (+0 / -0 / +2Score on mirror ) 1 child
The theory works in high trust homogenous societies with no criminals. Sure.
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Megaboom2025 on scored.co
1 month ago 2 points (+0 / -0 / +2Score on mirror ) 1 child
The ideology is Star Trek. The reality is North Korea.
BlueDrache on scored.co
1 month ago 0 points (+0 / -0 )
Memeworthy top/bottom text combo.
DieHeretic on scored.co
1 month ago 2 points (+0 / -0 / +2Score on mirror ) 1 child
Once you understand that all of what has been written about economic theory and economic systems are constructs that exist only partially in the real world, all have at least some value and all have major drawbacks, and knowing human nature you must decide which one creates the most benefit to harm ratio and implement that system until a better one comes about.
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bluewhiteandred on scored.co
1 month ago 0 points (+0 / -0 ) 1 child
maybe fair, did you learn literally nothing reading commies?

I think they basically have points they just draw all the wrong conclusions

Like I think some would suggest an actually free market might be a lot more collaborative and people might share more - kind of things we associate with "Communism" rather than "capitalism"

They emphasize the importance of labor for the common worker - something that capitalists could structure a free economy to appreciate, or one in which capitalists could structure the economy around the interests of capital

I think points are made about the nature of capitalism, i.e. a tendency to take unique things and "commoditize" (spell?) them, and about how capitalism is an ideology that creates a certain kind of world we live in (that can be critiqued)
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bluewhiteandred on scored.co
1 month ago 0 points (+0 / -0 ) 1 child
> Under communism, there is no free market, prices are set arbitrarily via government bureaucracy

well, that's a transition gov we call "communism" but communism is a stateless ideology aka anarcho-communism

so again like do rightwing "chuds" - including myself - even understand what "real communism" is???
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WeedleTLiar on scored.co
1 month ago 1 point (+0 / -0 / +1Score on mirror )
Sure it does, when all the people have starved to death.
BlueDrache on scored.co
1 month ago 1 point (+0 / -0 / +1Score on mirror )
In the theory, the state self-relinquishes and dissolves when the eschaton happens. When the Man becomes his true self.

It's all very Hermetic and Gnostic...and absolutely a religion.
BlueDrache on scored.co
1 month ago 0 points (+0 / -0 )
I've read the primary source material too.

Same opinion.
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