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posted 2 days ago by Prof_Chaos on scored.co (+0 / -0 / +24Score on mirror )
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bluewhiteandred on scored.co
1 day ago 1 point (+0 / -0 / +1Score on mirror ) 1 child
I mean, I think Nick needs to read more about Cathoilicism to recognize its "absolute state" today:

Theologically needs a "hard reset" to 1958 norms in rejection of the Vatican 2 movement; in the pews a lot of those identifying as Catholic in the U.S. hold incompatible views on things like abortion / homosexuality / contraception, and that needs to be more directly addressed; practically, many criminal entities seem to have attached themselves to "Catholicism" and those need upending (immigration fraud movements to trafficking / abuse ops)

"Antipope" Leo has been defective in not simply arguing Trump's military ops don't conform to Catholic Just War theory, but has argued other disputable points and positioned himself as "contra Trump" rather than opposing muslim aggression and for diplomatic efforts (even going so far as to recently call a mosque a "sacred space"?!). Trump may be an antichrist but "Leo" is as well and may be quite worse from a Catholic perspective (but this seems lost on most who identify as "Catholic" today?)

So... it's kind of a tangled mess here with a lot of conflicts on all sides
Prof_Chaos on scored.co
1 day ago 0 points (+0 / -0 ) 1 child
There hasn't been a legit Pope since Pope Pius XII.

Nick is very much aware of Vatican II, which is why he attends the TLM.

But thanks for telling everyone that you don't watch the show.
bluewhiteandred on scored.co
1 day ago 0 points (+0 / -0 )
Hi PC, I have watched the show before but am not following it closely and would enjoy discussing these topics further if you want (especially I'd enjoy groypers becoming more aware of the issues if you're connected with them digitally, as I have never really seen in-depth "traditional Catholic" discussions with groypers)

Does Nick share your view (which I agree with) that there hasn't been a "legit" (as in actual) pope since Pius XII? That sedevacantism is true? He seemed to tweet like "Leo" is a pope.

I could not find Nick's positions on these things; you say he attends a "TLM". The "TLMs" typically available are of the 1962 missal, which we believe is a "half-reform" that should be rejected. Such chapels also implicitly require people to accept Vatican 2 as Catholic. There are a handful of sedevacantist chapels that use the pre-1962 missal. I was not aware of Nick going to such chapels or bringing up this issue.

A handful of us reject going to those chapels, since their "bishops" were not approved by any pope (they arguably have no jurisdiction). Hence when you say "Nick attends a TLM"... our view is there are no TLMs to go to.

Nick & groypers definitely have a bunch of things correct, I was just hoping to see them be led by God to go further with things and to draw necessary conclusions to bring the confusion of Vatican 2 to a more definite end.

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