9 months ago10 points(+0/-0/+10Score on mirror)4 children
The crux of the argument depends on what you choose to take literally and what you choose to take figuratively in the Bible.
Of course, it's very hard to find any verse that says, specifically, that the jews are God's chosen people. You have to twist the scriptures quite a bit to get that out of them. From my reading, it's clear that Joseph received the blessings that Abraham, Isaac and Jacob (Israel) received, and much more, so if anyone is God's chosen people, it's the descendants of Joseph.
But then there's all the verses where God condemns the jews for every imaginable reason, multiple times. The reason why "God's chosen people" are not living in God's chosen land is because they rejected God and God refuses to honor his covenant with them until they repent and accept God again. And it is clear to any Christian, that in order to accept God, you have to reject the false traditions that the jews have preserved, and embrace Jesus Christ as not only the Messiah but the Savior of the rest of the world too.
One of my big beefs with Christianity is that the vast majority of people running around telling people what is in the Bible have never read it themselves. Or, if they have read it, they didn't understand much of it. In the Bible, it is a sin to pass on lies that you were told or to go along with the group in accusing others. If they read that much, they'd keep their mouths shut and let those that actually read the Bible tell people what's actually in it.
9 months ago5 points(+0/-0/+5Score on mirror)2 children
It makes perfect sense once you understand that the only reason the “Old Testament” is stapled on the front of the New Testament is because a bunch of rabbis demanded Christians be taught that.
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It's the history of our people, Whites. It was never about jews. You don't understand the history of Judea (geographical) after the deportations of the Israelites (Whites, Jacob's offspring, not just Joseph) and after the 40,000 returned to Judea.
For anyone actually wondering, the Israelites being White is implicit in history, not explicit. You'd have to learn a lot to get the big picture. It's also evident through who the epistles were addressed to, and what we know about those nations through history - Romans being White/ being grafted on and Paul saying they were with Moses, and thus Israelites, not any "nation".
One source that goes into great depth is a series called "100 Proofs the Israelites were White" and my site of choice is this where I'd recommend this series to start. https://christogenea.org/podcasts/bible-discussion/bible-basics
Spoken by a man who has no idea what is in the OT.
That's fine, the jews don't want you to know why God kicked them out of Israel and under what conditions he'll allow them back in. Hint: The people living in Israel right now are NOT descended from Israel.
The truth is that ALL of the Old Testament prophets spoke of Jesus Christ. The jews tried to remove all references to him and even went so far as to murder all the prophets, as Jesus testified.
Once you see what they missed, and once you learn to read between the lines, you'll see that Adam himself was prophesying of Jesus, Moses was his apostle, Isaiah was his servant, and Jeremiah was rejected by Israel because he testified of his death and resurrection.
This kind of information is the sort of thing that causes jews to go in a murderous rampage, because their father is the father of lies and murder.
9 months ago3 points(+0/-0/+3Score on mirror)1 child
Funny thing is, the blessing actually skipped Joseph. In Genesis 48 Jacob gave the blessing directly to Joseph's two sons Ephraim and Manasseh instead, both of which ended up with a tribe named after them.
The other funny thing is their names meant something like "fruitful" and "forgetful" and both tribes straight up disappeared after the Assyrian conquest of Israel. You see other tribes mentioned even in the New Testament, but not those two, unless you count the part where Christ says he's come for the lost sheep of Israel.
Absolutely. I read the Bible from cover to cover when I was a teenager and, although I'm no authority, it's incredible how people will try cherrypick quotes without understanding the big picture.
As for the "chosen people" thing, I think Milton outlined it pretty well. Lucifer was God's greatest creation, indisputibly the highest angel. But he became prideful, turned against God, and became the lowest. The same could be said of the Jews who, countless times throughout the Bible, reject God and His laws. They became enamored with their own status and forgot that God is above all.
God's mercy is such that, rather than destroy them entirely, those who repented could be saved through Christ, not unlike Soddom and Gomorah. Those were the first Christians; still the descendents of Joseph but, more importantly than that, they accepted God into their hearts.
Of course, it's very hard to find any verse that says, specifically, that the jews are God's chosen people. You have to twist the scriptures quite a bit to get that out of them. From my reading, it's clear that Joseph received the blessings that Abraham, Isaac and Jacob (Israel) received, and much more, so if anyone is God's chosen people, it's the descendants of Joseph.
But then there's all the verses where God condemns the jews for every imaginable reason, multiple times. The reason why "God's chosen people" are not living in God's chosen land is because they rejected God and God refuses to honor his covenant with them until they repent and accept God again. And it is clear to any Christian, that in order to accept God, you have to reject the false traditions that the jews have preserved, and embrace Jesus Christ as not only the Messiah but the Savior of the rest of the world too.
One of my big beefs with Christianity is that the vast majority of people running around telling people what is in the Bible have never read it themselves. Or, if they have read it, they didn't understand much of it. In the Bible, it is a sin to pass on lies that you were told or to go along with the group in accusing others. If they read that much, they'd keep their mouths shut and let those that actually read the Bible tell people what's actually in it.
Their god and God are not the same.
It was multi ethnic in the time of Christ.
Stop using their language.
One source that goes into great depth is a series called "100 Proofs the Israelites were White" and my site of choice is this where I'd recommend this series to start. https://christogenea.org/podcasts/bible-discussion/bible-basics
That's fine, the jews don't want you to know why God kicked them out of Israel and under what conditions he'll allow them back in. Hint: The people living in Israel right now are NOT descended from Israel.
The truth is that ALL of the Old Testament prophets spoke of Jesus Christ. The jews tried to remove all references to him and even went so far as to murder all the prophets, as Jesus testified.
Once you see what they missed, and once you learn to read between the lines, you'll see that Adam himself was prophesying of Jesus, Moses was his apostle, Isaiah was his servant, and Jeremiah was rejected by Israel because he testified of his death and resurrection.
This kind of information is the sort of thing that causes jews to go in a murderous rampage, because their father is the father of lies and murder.
The other funny thing is their names meant something like "fruitful" and "forgetful" and both tribes straight up disappeared after the Assyrian conquest of Israel. You see other tribes mentioned even in the New Testament, but not those two, unless you count the part where Christ says he's come for the lost sheep of Israel.
It's clear from this prophecy and blessing that Joseph would exceed the limits of Israel's geography.
The rest of 49 is pretty awesome as well.
Yes, Israel adopted Joseph's sons as his own. That's why they each got their share of the inheritance.
As for the "chosen people" thing, I think Milton outlined it pretty well. Lucifer was God's greatest creation, indisputibly the highest angel. But he became prideful, turned against God, and became the lowest. The same could be said of the Jews who, countless times throughout the Bible, reject God and His laws. They became enamored with their own status and forgot that God is above all.
God's mercy is such that, rather than destroy them entirely, those who repented could be saved through Christ, not unlike Soddom and Gomorah. Those were the first Christians; still the descendents of Joseph but, more importantly than that, they accepted God into their hearts.
Satan and the Fall exist in scripture but Milton explores the concept more thoroughly.
I must have missed that part of the Bible
It's not uncommon to read things in the Bible that we wish was there but isn't.