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John 8:44: "Ye are of your father the devil, and the lusts of your father ye will do. He was a murderer from the beginning, and abode not in the truth, because there is no truth in him. When he speaketh a lie, he speaketh of his own: for he is a liar, and the father of it."

IN SHORT -- lying (and murder) is of the devil. Jews are of the devil. Therefore, jews lie.

Recently someone posted something about the LDS church. I responded to many posts with "liar" and such. In subsequent conversation, to the few that actually challenged my retort, it was shown that they were, indeed, liars. They accepted the lies about our church that they were told, and repeated them as if they were the truth.

*Why do you do this?*

Don't you know that most of "pop culture" is an absolute lie? What little truth there is is distorted beyond recognition?

Don't you know that they lied about Hitler, WWII, and so many other things?

Why do you believe people that lie about one thing?

Don't you know how to sift through lies to identify the truth?

There is a reason why most of the Christian world lies about the LDS church. I shouldn't have to explain it. I'll just state the simple fact: Our church is growing because we have high marriage rates, low divorce rates, and we have a lot of children. Our missionary work is effective. Our retention rates are good enough. They hated is in the 1830s because we were rapidly expanding. We have never stopped expanding since.

As Jesus warned us, the world will always hate us. We wear that with a smile and pride, to be counted worthy to be hated by the world.

In about 100 years or so, the majority of people living in the US will be members of our church by birth. This is the fact of demographics. Look around, you've probably noticed more and more members of our church around you. You've probably seen temples and churches with "The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints" on them. We're building buildings so fast we can barely keep up with the demand.

What you probably don't know is how rapidly the church is expanding outside of the US. Since the 1990s, the majority of the members have lived overseas. Since the priesthood revelation of 1978, we have been exploding in Africa as well. You are probably wondering how that can be true, since most of the members of our church living in the US are white Anglo-Saxon English speakers.

The reason is simple: We tell people to stay home, don't come to the US, build up the kingdom in their own country. When they do come here, temporarily, we send them back as soon as possible.

There was a time when we welcomed immigrants, back in the late 1800s as people fled Europe into the US. We did all we could to bring them to the Salt Lake Valley and then teach them English and English customs and culture. My own great great grandmother was from Denmark. My great great grandfather grew up in England. They were both pioneers that built an empire in the West where there was nothing but dust and salt lakes. Our sentiment was no one would ever want this land, so we will take it.

The church is not your enemy. In fact, when the SS investigated members of our church, they were surprised that we had no beef with them since we must've been an American church controlled by the jews. They thought that the leaders of our church, President Grant at the time, was milking funds from the members and living on the proceeds, so they made a rule that the LDS church could not move funds out of Germany, and we were fine with that. Upon further investigation, it turned out we were sending money INTO Germany, because of the poverty there, and after the war, we were key in airlifting food and supplies to Berlin while the jews tried to starve them to death. We were happy to accommodate the government of Germany at the time because there was no reason to fight over things that don't matter, and our church has never been a representative of the American people or its government.

In fact, if you want a sane approach to race and equality, and you want a real final solution to the jewish question, you're going to have to talk to us. We are financially independent, and doing quite well, both as members and as a church. We want to help everyone obtain good jobs and build their families, no matter what their religion are. Our welfare program is drop-dead simple, very effective at stamping out poverty, and anyone can copy it, and we urge people to do so. The real problems whites in the US and in Europe are facing -- we have the answers. Hence, most of us don't really understand why naziism or fascism is so appealing. We simply aren't suffering as much as you from the jews.

Is our church perfect in every way? Are we going to agree with you on everything? Of course not. If you find faults, congratulations, you have two eyes and a brain. But where we don't compromise is in our mission to build up God's kingdom on the earth, a kingdom where we FULLY expect to see people from almost every denomination and many religions to be full participants in. Those who love Jesus, love truth, and love life will all be welcomed in. Liars, adulterers, thieves, murderers will not.

Our single guiding light is the living Christ. He speaks to us, we try to obey, and we do the best we can with everything else. We hope everyone else does the same, whether Christ leads them into our church, parallel to it, or some other direction.

If you have genuine questions, I can answer them or at least point you in the right direction. Can I answer everything? No, but I have an idea of what questions you are going to ask and so I can confidently say you are very unlikely to come across something I haven't heard of before.
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MI7BZ3EW on scored.co
9 months ago 0 points (+0 / -0 ) 1 child
> of one essence with the Father

This is not in the Bible, and no one believed it in the First Century. This is the made up bullshit. It's clear that Jesus and God the Father are two distinct BEINGS.

This is the very thing Paul was warning us about, adopting the philosophies of men instead of swearing allegiance to Christ and Christ alone.

Here's a beginning to understanding: https://rsc.byu.edu/new-testament-history-culture-society/greco-roman-philosophy-new-testament

> Say Amen

No, I don't buy into neo-Greek platonic ideals corrupting Christian truth. Nor do I make covenants with ideas and philosophies.

Captain_Raamsley on scored.co
9 months ago 1 point (+0 / -0 / +1Score on mirror ) 1 child
“Of one essence with the Father” is neither late nor un-biblical. Scripture, first-century Christians, and the earliest fathers all proclaim the full deity of Christ.

1. Scripture itself affirms a single divine essence shared by Father and Son

John 1 : 1-3, 14 – “The Word *was* God … all things came to be through Him … the Word became flesh.”
John 10 : 30-33 – “I and the Father are **one**.” (The crowd tries to stone Him “because You, being a man, make Yourself God.”)
Phil 2 : 5-7 – “Existing in the **form of God**, He did not regard equality with God as something to cling to.”
Heb 1 : 3 – “He is the **radiance** of God’s glory and the **exact imprint** of His being.”
Col 1 : 19; 2 : 9 – “In Him **all the fullness of deity** dwells bodily.”
Matt 28 : 19 – One baptismal **name** (singular) of Father, Son, and Spirit.

If Scripture treats Jesus as eternal Creator, bearer of God’s fullness, worthy of worship, and indivisible from the Father’s very “being,” then denying His shared essence is heresy.

2. First-century believers already confessed Jesus as God

• **Ignatius of Antioch** (c. AD 110): “Our **God, Jesus Christ**, was conceived by Mary” (*Eph.* 7:2).
• **Didache** (1st-century): instructs baptism “into the **name** of Father, Son, and Holy Spirit” (7:1).
• Pre-Pauline hymns (Phil 2 : 6-11; Col 1 : 15-20) sing of Christ as pre-existent Creator and universal Lord.

Thus first-century Christians believed this. Nicaea merely coined the Greek word *homoousios* to maintain permanently what the churches were already praying and preaching.

3. “Hellenistic corruption” is the real bullshit, a red herring.

Paul’s warning in Col 2 : 8 is against “philosophies … *not* according to Christ,” not against clarifying truth with precise language.
When heresies hijacked biblical terms, the Church answered in the common vocabulary just as Paul quotes Stoic poets in Acts 17.
Saying *homoousios* no more “corrupts” Christianity than translating the Bible into English; it simply secures the apostolic message from being re-defined.

You are a heretic, and you are not saved.
MI7BZ3EW on scored.co
9 months ago 0 points (+0 / -0 )
> “Of one essence with the Father” is neither late nor un-biblical. Scripture, first-century Christians, and the earliest fathers all proclaim the full deity of Christ.

Alright, let's see it. But you should know that it's relatively accepted in academia that there is no evidence of your claim here. It should be really, really easy to show though, if it exists.

> John 1 : 1-3, 14

None of this teaches homoousis. Nowhere does it say anything like "Jesus and the Father are separate persons but the same essence or substance".

> John 10 "One"

You'd have to define "one" AND explain John 17 where Jesus literally says "That they (those that believe in me) all may be one; as thou, Father, art in me, and I in thee, that they also may be one in us:"

So somehow you'd have to say "one" means one substance in John 10, but NOT in John 17. That would be special pleading.

> Phil 2

This does not say that they are the same substance. Simply that Jesus can claim to be equal to God.

> Heb

This does not say they are the same substance. In fact, if he is the radiance, then he is NOT God -- they are separate, just like a light bulb and the light coming from it are two different things. "Imprint" is a mark left by pressure, so an imprint of God would be something that is not God.

> Col

This says that the Father dwells in the Son (whatever that means). Someone who lives in a house does not make that person and the house the same thing or same substance.

> Matt

Just because we do something in the name of multiple people does not make those people the same substance. For instance, "I got permission from both my mom and my dad to go over to your house" does not mean that my mom and my dad are the same substance.

> denying his shared essence is heresy

Yes, it is heresy ONLY because it contradicts your creeds. It does not contradict the Bible, and it was NEVER exposed as a heresy in the Bible. Paul nor anyone else ever said "You must believe Jesus and God are the same substance". You guys made it up, with no authority, no revelation, and then killed people who raised objections to it. That's how it came into being. It is a matter of historical fact.

This dogma that is so fundamental to "Christianity" is never even mentioned in the Bible, and yet there are SO MANY examples where Jesus and God are referenced as separate people. Jesus himself distinguishes himself from the Father in many ways, and often subordinates himself to the Father. Paul would greet the saints in both the name of the Father and the Son, often referring to the Father as "God" and the Son as "Lord".

> Jesus is God

THIS IS NOT IN DISPUTE. The LDS teach that Jesus is the very embodiment of YHWH of the Old Testament. In fact, if you think that YHWH is the Father, then you have BETTER evidence that Jesus and God are the same person in the Book of Mormon than you do in the Bible.

> Hellenistic corruption

You agree with me that Paul warned against adopting Hellenistic ideas?

**Where did the idea of a God that is one in substance come from?**


It is NOT in the Bible. The First Century Christians did not believe it. The people living in Judea in that time never mentioned it. It is definitely not in the Old Testament, which teaches a plurality of gods of which YHWH is supreme.

I can point to WHERE it came from -- PLATO. I can point to THE PERSON WHO TRIED TO ADOPT IT -- AUGUSTINE.

**I HAVE THE CRIME, THE WEAPON AND THE CRIMINAL.**

You have nothing. You CANNOT find your ideas in the Bible or in early Christian writings. You can only find it in Plato's ideas!

> You are not saved

Interesting. **Who gave you authority to pronounce who is saved or not?** Or did you claim authority to yourself?
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