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I have fallen by the wayside and wither. My faith is wavering because of the torment of this world and it is clear that I was never truly a Christian.

What do I do?
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Zrupsloohg on scored.co
11 months ago 5 points (+0 / -0 / +5Score on mirror ) 1 child
Why do you think you need Christianity? What is it that you are searching for? Do you crave Morality? Do you seek Righteousness? Do you seek Community? Are you searching for Truth in a world that continuously confuses and challenges you, or do you just seek security and reassurance?

When you read about 1st century Christianity, it becomes clear that there was never such a thing as "the definitive Christian". This isn't to say that there isn't any value in their various teachings, but they also aren't the be-all and end-all. I'm against the grain here in that I don't think Christianity will solve our problems, whatever you think those problems are. It may alleviate some, but it ultimately leads to confusion and conflict.

The real question is whether or not you know who you are? Do you know what you value? If you cannot stand without some form of Christianity to hold yourself up, then ask why. Think about your ideal future and take action to make it a reality. If you wouldn't die for that future, then think again.
JesusSupporter33 on scored.co
11 months ago 0 points (+0 / -0 ) 1 child
>What is it that you are searching for?

I don't know. It started as just reverence of the Great Creator, but now I have fallen so low that I think that this God owes me something.
ApexVeritas on scored.co
11 months ago 1 point (+0 / -0 / +1Score on mirror ) 1 child
I used to think that way, too. I felt like I had bad luck, that God was punishing me. My outlook affected my surroundings and my mental state, a negativity that constantly pulled me down into repeated bouts of depression off and on for many years.


I learned, however, that suffering is necessary, for being alive, for improving, for learning, and for building strong men. Look at the physical dichotomy between the political left and right. The left play perpetual victimhood, wallow in sin, and seek comfort and hedonism above all other considerations. They're weak and unchallenged, shirking away from all hardship, and when hardship does reach them, they cry out "woe is me". We're strong because we're challenged, because we overcome.


If God is all powerful and loves us, how can God let us suffer?


Part of the answer to this question is displayed openly right now, for all to see, a parallel in current society matching perfectly to the scenario I'm about to paint.


Imagine a scenario where God relented, and removed the worst half of human experiences from what could happen to us, leaving only the neutral experiences up to the very best. At first, we would be overjoyed and thankful. We would praise God every day. Then, slowly over time, we would begin to get used to the "new normal". We would begin to take our great blessing for granted, and come to expect it, forgetting how badly things were before. Our memory isn't perfect, individually or generationally. Over generations, the great blessing God bestowed on us would be entirely forgotten. The "new normal" of the top half of human experiences would be reshaped into the totality of human experience, with the formerly neutral experiences labelled as the worst things imaginable. We would see differentiation in human experience, see people experience better things than us, and would lament "why God do you let me suffer?" Through comparison, through envy and coveting what our neighbors have, we would rob ourselves of our own joy. The people would cry out, asking God the exact same question that began this path.


Let's say that God relents again, and removes the new worst half of human experience, leaving only the top quarter of human experiences. The process would repeat. People at first would be overjoyed and thankful. Then they'd get used to it, and then take it for granted, then normalize it, then forget where they came from, compare experiences, reshape their definition of reality to fit with their current worldview, and rob their own joy by being envious and covetous of their neighbors who have it better.


This is exactly what's happened to Western civilization, right now. We have central air conditioning, heating, cheap clothing, plentiful food and water, cars, phones, computers, internet, all manner of entertainment, relative safety, automated machinery to make our work much easier. Our ancestors, not even 100 years ago, grew most of their own food, made their own clothes, washed everything by hand, had no air conditioning, no electric or gas heating, no water pipes, the bathrooms were outhouses, no electricity, no cars, no phones, no internet, no washing machines, no dishwashers, etc. They lived tough lives, but they were happy, because they struggled and were thankful for what they had. Nowadays? People have far more than their ancestors could've ever dreamed, but most people are miserable, precisely because we don't struggle like our ancestors, because we've taken all of the blessings we have for granted. We've forgotten where we came from and reshaped reality into the "new normal", comparing our lot to those around us, coveting the good things other people have, and not thanking God for what we already have. And, who can say if God hasn't already removed the most horrific experiences we could've been previously subjected to?


The path that this toxic mindset inevitably leads towards is complete equality of experiences for all people, at all times, forever. Since we don't live the exact same lives, have the exact same parents, family, friends, job, hobbies, home, location, etc., it is literally impossible for people to have equal experiences. Just being in a different location means we'll inevitably be subjected to variance in good or bad things. This is why the globalist/lefty path of pursuing equal outcomes is so detrimental, destructive, and toxic. It produces perpetual victims who wallow in their own misery, rather than struggle to overcome the challenges they face, who take for granted all of the blessings they have, rather than thank God for all that they have, who want for more and more and more, rather than be content with where they are and how far they've come.


If someone gives you a gift, do you thank them, or become hostile toward them because they didn't give you more gifts?


If you subject yourself to actual struggle, in virtuous pursuit to improve yourself, or your family, community, and people, it will rewire your brain, and I promise you that you'll begin to become more thankful for what you have, and be able to suffer the inequities of life with joy. It's the kinds of things that will make you collapse in exhaustion after finishing, but you'll be filled with joy that you accomplished it. The more that this endeavor to struggle and overcome is directed to your own brothers and people, the more you help them, the more it will be returned in kind. As such, this is the primary danger of our modern corrupted world, convincing people that they're alone, removing the best safety net they have, their own family, friends, community, and people, who will help each other. People forget, though, that communities, all relationships, must be cultivated and tended, lest the vine withers and produces no more fruit.
JesusSupporter33 on scored.co
11 months ago 1 point (+0 / -0 / +1Score on mirror ) 1 child
Based novel writer.

Thanks brother. I wrote something along the same lines in my book during the holocough.

>If you subject yourself to actual struggle, in virtuous pursuit to improve yourself, or your family, community, and people, it will rewire your brain, and I promise you that you'll begin to become more thankful for what you have, and be able to suffer the inequities of life with joy

I have done this. The problem is that I forgot why I was doing this. I have the same problem as the Greek philosophers.. They understood the "how" but didn't understand the "why." I have distanced myself from God and what was once productive has become merely a burden.
ApexVeritas on scored.co
11 months ago 0 points (+0 / -0 )
Thanks for taking the time to read it. I can type fast and at length, so with people's limited time I appreciate all who do read what I write.


> holocough


Ha! Thanks for the laugh.


> I have done this. The problem is that I forgot why I was doing this. I have the same problem as the Greek philosophers.. They understood the "how" but didn't understand the "why." I have distanced myself from God and what was once productive has become merely a burden.


The only entities that can give you the "why" for your life are you and God. Pray, and pray often. Enumerate your problems, concerns, and questions to God. He will give you answers. It may take a while, but He will give them to you.


As for the meaning of life, it's the first chapter of my book. I can copy/paste the entire chapter if you want (and the reasoning for it), but in essence, the meaning of life is to improve ourselves, and whatever groups/communities we're a part of. We are to pursue perfection, even though we can't reach it. This pursuit is quite limited and less rewarding if we do it on our own, and for ourselves. It's far more rewarding if we do it within a healthy community. This is why it's so crucial to find people you align with, and build a community with them. This will take time and effort, as relationships are formed, favors are exchanged, and bonds are built, but it's worth it.


Even if our Christian faith, God doesn't require our works. God has everything He needs. He doesn't need our works, tithes, communion, baptism, or anything else from us. Our works are for our family, friends, church, community, and people. As such, God knows that we need these people for our own health, and encourages us to seek and built communities with such people. Through those communities, we'll be fulfilled and rewarded.


> I have distanced myself from God and what was once productive has become merely a burden.


Take a break. We're not machines. We can't just stack burden after burden after burden on someone's shoulders and expect them to never break. Sometimes we need to rest. God showed this to us, even in creation, when He rested on the 7th day, and commanded us to honor the sabbath (a day of rest every week). Set down your burdens, and rest, if at least for a little while. Rest enables us to appreciate what we have, and tell us why we toil. Men will often work themselves to exhaustion, crisis, and death. Don't do that. Work is meant to provide and enrich us and our people, not to break us. Men in this sphere will also subject themselves to too many evils and horrors of this world and become blackpilled, depressed, and demotivated. Take a break and walk away if you need to. Being informed isn't worth it if it breaks your spirit. There are several people here, just in ConPro, that have taken long breaks from social media, because they needed to. If that's what you need to facilitate your own health, take it. We'll miss you, but we'll support you all the way. The internet isn't worth your sanity.


In any case, I'll repeat my prayer. May God bless you and keep you, protect you, teach you, guide you, and shine His light on you.


It's not said enough among men, but I'll say it here, because it's worth saying. I love you brother. Take care of yourself, because we need all the good men we can gather.
Gottmituns_ on scored.co
11 months ago 3 points (+0 / -0 / +3Score on mirror ) 1 child
The very simple answer is baptism. God works in time through means, and baptism is God's way of adopting you.

Let me offer you some reassurance though. Worrying about being a Christian means that you are. If you know that Christ died in your place for the sake of your imperfection, so that you can be holy enough to stand in His presence, you are a Christian. If you doubt this but despise your doubt, that is still a sign of faith.

I think I remember a post of yours a while ago talking about how you came to Christianity on your own. If not, forgive me, but if so it will help you greatly to find a church and be properly catechised. I know it's hard today and most churches are heretical in some way or another. But without a community you stand alone against satan, whose only goal is dragging you to Hell with him.

If you want my advice, look for a confessional Lutheran church. WELS, LCMS, and ELS are the larger ones in America. Anglican and Roman Catholic can be decent so long as they're conservative. Whatever you do avoid eastern orthodoxy or anything downstream of calvinism. May God strengthen your spirit.
Weematanyeh on scored.co
11 months ago 1 point (+0 / -0 / +1Score on mirror ) 2 children
Curious why you warn against eastern orthodoxy? I don't know much about them.
JesusSupporter33 on scored.co
11 months ago 1 point (+0 / -0 / +1Score on mirror )
I tried Eastern Orthodox. Like most of the heresies, on the surface they appear to be more just reactionaries against Catholics rather than a distinct faction. Easily 70% of their classes consisted of "Catholics bad."
Gottmituns_ on scored.co
11 months ago 1 point (+0 / -0 / +1Score on mirror ) 1 child
I know a lot of young men who have fallen for the orthodox meme. They end up desperate and hopeless. The issue is that the EO fundamentally deny the gospel. They put the burden of salvation on yourself instead of Jesus which is the entire point of Christianity. When perfection is the goal and you constantly fall short it's exhausting, especially when you're surrounded by pharisees.

Beyond that it's just silly. They make lofty claims about being the one true church but if you actually look into the history it's clear they're a LARP. Look up Nikon's reforms or how their church as it is today was basically recreated by Stalin if you're curious, those are good starting points. There are other problems theologically, like how their essence/energies distinction is necessarily polytheistic, but most of them don't care about that as much as they just want something that seems cool and isn't western. Stone Choir did a great podcast on the topic, highly recommend.
Weematanyeh on scored.co
11 months ago 1 point (+0 / -0 / +1Score on mirror )
I'll check it out, thanks.
Phenixxxx on scored.co
11 months ago 2 points (+0 / -0 / +2Score on mirror )
Just keep the faith that's the most important...he knows your heart ... That's it . That simple .
Vlad_The_Impaler on scored.co
11 months ago 2 points (+0 / -0 / +2Score on mirror )
Removed From the Gospel of Jesus Christ? (Pastor Charles Lawson) https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VSbs5LJt4yQ
Weematanyeh on scored.co
11 months ago 1 point (+0 / -0 / +1Score on mirror ) 1 child
Have faith in Christ in who he is.

Turn your back on sin. We will all slip and fall constantly through life, but what matters is getting back up and becoming more like Christ every day. Pray for help.

If you are asking this question God is giving you the hunger for more. Dont miss this opportunity, take this momentum and run with it. You must learn more by reading the bible and listening to others who know more than yourself everyday. God bless you brother, I'm willing to talk anytime.
JesusSupporter33 on scored.co
11 months ago 0 points (+0 / -0 ) 2 children
I do need to read the bible more.. Unfortunately the bible itself was the first great stumbling block. I came to distrust the KJV and only trust the Sistine Vulgate. Then I found that the Sinaiticus differed in some areas.

But the early Christians didn't even have a bible..
Weematanyeh on scored.co
11 months ago 1 point (+0 / -0 / +1Score on mirror )
Yeah I guess if you want to be like the early Christian's you have to find someone who is doing a good job of being Christ-like and listen to what they have to say.
Uberen on scored.co
11 months ago 0 points (+0 / -0 )
Just read the gospels. Don't over-analyze it. Let the Spirit tell you what you need to know. It's not about solving an equation. It's about trying to get closer to the Master.
knije_tahou on scored.co
11 months ago 0 points (+0 / -0 )
https://sheldonemrylibrary.famguardian.org/
Knight_Of_Saint_John on scored.co
11 months ago 0 points (+0 / -0 )
You just to find a community of like-minded MEN who share your beliefs, your morals and the things you stand by

The "Christian" suffix is entirely up to you
Yggdrasill on scored.co
11 months ago 0 points (+0 / -0 )
Embrace historicity conversations
ApexVeritas on scored.co
11 months ago 0 points (+0 / -0 ) 1 child
To be a Christian is to have faith in Jesus Christ, to declare Jesus Christ as your Lord and Savior, and repent of your sins. That's it.


Works don't save us. Church doesn't save us. Baptism doesn't save us. Communion doesn't save us.


The very first Christian who died was the thief on the cross next to Jesus. That thief didn't go to church, get baptized, or have communion. He professed faith in Jesus, and held Jesus as his Lord and Savior in His heart, and he died and went to Heaven.


However, when we become a Christian, the Holy Spirit enters us and will work in us, so that we improve and move away from our sins. Our addictions and sinful behaviors will still plague us, but they will lessen. I can attest to this, because since I professed Jesus as my Lord and Savior, my sins have been greatly lessened, things that I've struggled with for decades, and questions that I've had with scripture, or general questions, have often been answered very quickly (sometimes less than 24 hours).


As the Holy Spirit works in you, you'll repent of your sins, you'll learn what your sins are, you'll move away from your sins and become more aligned with God, you'll pray often, you'll talk to God often, you'll become thankful for what you have, you'll read the Bible (this enables God to talk to you directly), you'll go to church (which can be a struggle, as many churches are corrupt now), or at least want to go to church, you'll get baptized, you'll have communion, and you'll do good works. We don't do all of these things to become Christian, we do those things because we're Christian.


Keep in mind, too, that hardship and struggle don't mean God has turned his gaze away from you, or punishing you. Sometimes God gives us hardships to teach us something. He did so with me, and because I was hard headed, and had so many deep/foundational questions for God, it took me decades to accept Jesus, to repent, to become Christian, and learn the answers to what I asked. However, God was with me the entire time, through the Holy Spirit. He protected me, guided me, taught me, and loved me the entire time, even when I didn't have faith, even when I hated him for all the hardships I suffered.


God loves you.


Being a Christian does not mean we suddenly become immune to struggle and suffering. God is not required to shower us with blessings all of our days. To live is to suffer, even as a Christian. In fact, we're called to suffer more, because we're Christian, and are extolled through our righteous suffering.


God knows your heart, and He loves you. Pray. Give your questions and concerns to God. Talk to Him. He will answer you. It may take time, though. Hopefully you're not as hard headed as I was. And, read the Bible. It really does help. I don't have a lot of time to dedicate to it, so I just read 2 chapters per day, and now I'm almost done with the New Testament (I started 6 months ago).


Also, being a Christian doesn't mean we can shirk our other responsibilities in our lives. God will bless us if we act in accordance with creation, meaning that if we take care of our health, if we eat right, if we exercise, if we get some sun and exposure to nature, if we hang out with our loved ones, if we serve our community and people, if we fulfill out role properly (to protect and provide as men), if we challenge ourselves in righteous pursuits, if we marry a good woman, if we have children, we will find joy, a joy that will embolden and strengthen our faith. Even just doing a handful of these things can bring us out of despair. So, don't shirk your earthly needs. And, our earthly needs are not antithetical to our faith. Strengthening one strengthens the other.


May God bless you and keep you, heal you, guide you, teach you, and forgive you of your sins.
JesusSupporter33 on scored.co
11 months ago 0 points (+0 / -0 ) 1 child
>if we marry a good woman

This right here is my great struggle and the root of my evil.
ApexVeritas on scored.co
11 months ago 0 points (+0 / -0 )
For many of us, including me.


Still, the Holy Spirit has been working with me in that regard, too. The Lord understands that men can err when this particular energy isn't properly directed toward a loving wife. That's why we're encouraged to marry and have kids, to give this energy a productive and healthy outlet. However, the Lord also understands our situation and the environment in which we live, of how much our society and people have been corrupted, making it much harder to find a good woman to marry.


There are no guarantees in this life, except that we will suffer, either in our sin or in our faith, and that we will die and be judged. If our lives were easy, if all of our decisions properly dictated by God so we could not sin or suffer, our lives and choices would be meaningless. Our righteousness is all the more meaningful because we face hardship. Do not give up, because God has not given up on you. The moment you give up, in anything, you have surrendered yourself to failure.


Specifically, if you're struggling to find a good woman where you are, look elsewhere. Look in churches as far outside of cities as you can. Ask the elders in the churches. Look into singles groups that partake in hobbies you're interested in. Don't use dating sites, though. Only meet women in real life.
Uberen on scored.co
11 months ago 0 points (+0 / -0 )
Pray to God in the name of Christ.

Get a Bible and start reading the gospels: Matthew, Mark, Luke and John.

Go to a church, any church. If it isn't right go try a different church.

You cannot make yourself a Christian. Only Christ can. Start following Him as best as you can, but relying on his mercy.
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