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>Thank you for the quotes of the Popes. I will bear this in mind going forward.
Clemens and Blair has a new release of Saint John Chrysostom's collected homilies against the jews that I just picked up, too. Haven't started it yet, but I've read pieces of these homilies before and they're quite good. I would recommend that too.
> The goalpost was to have killed a Jew only because of him being a Jew.
Would not killing a jew for being a corrupting subversive be practically the same thing? To be jewish is to subvert.
>You keep trying to take credit for stuff that Europeans did when their religious affiliation is unknown or irrelevant.
So...if a Christian did something you happen to like or agree with then their religious affiliation is 'irrelevant' then? But of course it's always relevant when a Christian does something you *don't* like. That doesn't sound the least little bit like cherry-picking to you? Even you must know that atheism was virtually unheard of 100 years ago or more in the great mass of people. For the sake of the argument, even if we don't know *for certain* what a White European's religious affiliation was a century ago, there's a *pretty giant chance* they were Christian.
>And we have countless examples of the Church or individual clergymen saving the Jews. Including of course the pope criticizing the antisemitism of the Third Reich.
I'm not saying they were perfect. But these faults stem not from religious beliefs but from political ones. Jewish propaganda has been quite strong in the masses for over 200 years at least. And among higher echelons of society for over a millennia. 20th century Christians by and large were already infected or becoming infected with it. Turning around and blaming the resultant shortcomings on Christianity is a false conclusion. Take the criticizing antisemitism you mentioned, for example. This is not the result of a Christian teaching, but the result of jewish political ideology and mass manipulation. John Chrysostom, as I mentioned already, penned some of the most antisemitic works *in existance*. These modern aberrations are exactly that; modern aberrations. I share your belief in that they desperately need fixing, but that does not mean the foundation they were laid upon is bad.
>Overall it seems that historically the Church was critical of the Jews and tried to protect Christians from their influence, but never wanted the Jews to be physically eliminated, hoping instead that they will convert.
*YES*, you are absolutely correct in this assertion. That was their crucial and oftentimes fatal flaw. They always failed to see the jewish problem for what it was; a racial problem instead of an ideological one. But through their failures we have amassed an irrefutable store of evidence that such conversion *will never happen*. Which means that we can absolutely justify, beyond a shadow of a doubt, a more permanent solution to the problem. That is the one silver lining.
>It's very high on my list, I will read it.
I promise you, the only way you will not see things differently afterwards is if you have the deliberate desire to not do so.
Clemens and Blair has a new release of Saint John Chrysostom's collected homilies against the jews that I just picked up, too. Haven't started it yet, but I've read pieces of these homilies before and they're quite good. I would recommend that too.
> The goalpost was to have killed a Jew only because of him being a Jew.
Would not killing a jew for being a corrupting subversive be practically the same thing? To be jewish is to subvert.
>You keep trying to take credit for stuff that Europeans did when their religious affiliation is unknown or irrelevant.
So...if a Christian did something you happen to like or agree with then their religious affiliation is 'irrelevant' then? But of course it's always relevant when a Christian does something you *don't* like. That doesn't sound the least little bit like cherry-picking to you? Even you must know that atheism was virtually unheard of 100 years ago or more in the great mass of people. For the sake of the argument, even if we don't know *for certain* what a White European's religious affiliation was a century ago, there's a *pretty giant chance* they were Christian.
>And we have countless examples of the Church or individual clergymen saving the Jews. Including of course the pope criticizing the antisemitism of the Third Reich.
I'm not saying they were perfect. But these faults stem not from religious beliefs but from political ones. Jewish propaganda has been quite strong in the masses for over 200 years at least. And among higher echelons of society for over a millennia. 20th century Christians by and large were already infected or becoming infected with it. Turning around and blaming the resultant shortcomings on Christianity is a false conclusion. Take the criticizing antisemitism you mentioned, for example. This is not the result of a Christian teaching, but the result of jewish political ideology and mass manipulation. John Chrysostom, as I mentioned already, penned some of the most antisemitic works *in existance*. These modern aberrations are exactly that; modern aberrations. I share your belief in that they desperately need fixing, but that does not mean the foundation they were laid upon is bad.
>Overall it seems that historically the Church was critical of the Jews and tried to protect Christians from their influence, but never wanted the Jews to be physically eliminated, hoping instead that they will convert.
*YES*, you are absolutely correct in this assertion. That was their crucial and oftentimes fatal flaw. They always failed to see the jewish problem for what it was; a racial problem instead of an ideological one. But through their failures we have amassed an irrefutable store of evidence that such conversion *will never happen*. Which means that we can absolutely justify, beyond a shadow of a doubt, a more permanent solution to the problem. That is the one silver lining.
>It's very high on my list, I will read it.
I promise you, the only way you will not see things differently afterwards is if you have the deliberate desire to not do so.