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TakenusernameA on scored.co
1 year ago 0 points (+0 / -0 ) 1 child
There probably were some infiltrators doing nefarious things, but when most of the leadership is tortured into confessions and then later recants when examined more thoroughly, I am highly suspect of the accusations.
devotech2 on scored.co
1 year ago 1 point (+0 / -0 / +1Score on mirror )
It's impossible to prove, but I personally believe that the Templar order itself was very much divided into nefarious elements and the original intended purpose. If you get involved with banking and massive levels of political power, you attract evil. That's just how that is.

The nefarious sort found refuge in Scotland, the good ones found refuge in Iberia.

The nefarious ones ended up getting involved with the scottish freemasons during their exile there, and would eventually form the scottish rite. There's definitely a *reason* why scottish rite freemasonry is rife with Templar imagery. And, potentially having a group of people descended from the biggest masterminds of medieval Europe, it's easy to see why the scottish rite became the largest branch of freemasonry there is.

As for jacques de molay himself. Well, he could have been a weird sort himself, or maybe he wasn't. Who knows? I don't know the dude. His original confession was obtained under torture, it's true, but he also had a legitimate alibi to outright lie in his recanted statement to pope clement, especially given that, with the templars historic good ties with the papacy, he could have easily assumed itd be an easy trial. Both narratives are completely unreliable. At this point I say that I don't know the man and thus I don't know if he was a bad apple or a good man. Either way though, it's fucking *hilarious* that there were legitimate Historians who believed that Jacques de Molay was the general of a Mongolian army that invaded syria.
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