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Joseph Smith was one man. He translated the text from the Golden Plates directly to his book. He spent a few months. He wrote it in English, once, and never copied or retranslated it, other than making slight revisions.
I'm not a protestant. The Bible has contradictions and mistakes in it, because, unlike Joe's story, it was written by many men, who put oral tradition or anecdotes into words, over the course of hundreds of years, in several different languages, and it was then translated, retranslated, and copied, by translators and scribes, over hundreds more years. Mistakes happened, and that is entirely understandable.
Your comparison to the Bible is apples to orangutans and thus I laugh at you.
You have no idea what the Book of Mormon is, let alone the process of how it was translated. The Book of Mormon was written by many people. One of those people made an abridgment and in that abridgment he included a record written by several other people over the span of something like 400 years.
Joseph Smith wrote nothing. He had to have scribes write it down for him. Why? Because he was almost illiterate.
If you think Joseph Smith made up the Book of Mormon, please, do tell me how he was able to achieve such a feat. How did he know that there was a place called NHM almost due west from a place called Bountiful on the Arabian peninsula? How did he know that Lehi had to travel 3 days away from Jerusalem to build an altar and offer sacrifices to God? How did he know about ancient Israelite temple practices that were abolished by King Josiah and removed from the Old Testament around 600 BC?
Can you tell me, perchance, what standard you use to judge the Bible as scripture, and why the Book of Mormon doesn't meet that standard? No, you can't.
The fact of the matter remains: Joseph Smith, by all objective standards, was one of the greatest prophets to ever walk on earth. He did what few people in history even claimed to do. The only possible explanation why a 19th Century poor, lame farmboy with a 3rd grade education from upstate New York could pull it off was because he had the gift and power of God. There is no other possible explanation.
You don't even have the slightest inkling of what he did, do you? The Book of Mormon, as great as it is, is by no means the greatest achievement of Joseph Smith. It is, in fact, the prelude. He produced way more scripture than the Book of Mormon, with much deeper and detailed doctrine that you can possible imagine, ALL OF IT completely concordant with the text of the Bible AND **ALL** subsequent discoveries of ancient apocryphal writings, stuff that no one at the time even imagine could have possibly guessed to exist.
And even that isn't his greatest achievement. But you wouldn't understand that because you're caught up on the fact that someone actually saw and spoke with God.
Go on. Tell me how a mostly illiterate boy from the backwoods was able to do what he did.
How did he know what was in scrolls that were forgotten and long buried, only to be discovered a hundred years after he died? How did he know about the stories of Enoch, and not just one or two of them, but all of them?
How did he know about NHM in the Arabian Peninsula?
There were no plates, my guy. He made shit up. And you can't pretend the book he wrote is historical evidence for the shit he made up. That's circular reasoning. Lol
Sure, there were no plates. You just have to disqualify the witnesses of something like 100 people who actually experienced the plates in various circumstances.
I think historians are all convinced that there had to be plates, and that they were metal.
The Book of Mormon doesn't testify of Joseph Smith. Listen to me closely: The fact that Joseph Smith produced the Book of Mormon is evidence that he was divinely inspired.
Really, there is only one possible reasonable conclusion from the evidence we have before us. But since you haven't seen the evidence, you wouldn't know. You just trust your pastor or whoever else is trying to deceive you rather than actually looking at the evidence.
I'm not a protestant. The Bible has contradictions and mistakes in it, because, unlike Joe's story, it was written by many men, who put oral tradition or anecdotes into words, over the course of hundreds of years, in several different languages, and it was then translated, retranslated, and copied, by translators and scribes, over hundreds more years. Mistakes happened, and that is entirely understandable.
Your comparison to the Bible is apples to orangutans and thus I laugh at you.
Joseph Smith wrote nothing. He had to have scribes write it down for him. Why? Because he was almost illiterate.
If you think Joseph Smith made up the Book of Mormon, please, do tell me how he was able to achieve such a feat. How did he know that there was a place called NHM almost due west from a place called Bountiful on the Arabian peninsula? How did he know that Lehi had to travel 3 days away from Jerusalem to build an altar and offer sacrifices to God? How did he know about ancient Israelite temple practices that were abolished by King Josiah and removed from the Old Testament around 600 BC?
Can you tell me, perchance, what standard you use to judge the Bible as scripture, and why the Book of Mormon doesn't meet that standard? No, you can't.
The fact of the matter remains: Joseph Smith, by all objective standards, was one of the greatest prophets to ever walk on earth. He did what few people in history even claimed to do. The only possible explanation why a 19th Century poor, lame farmboy with a 3rd grade education from upstate New York could pull it off was because he had the gift and power of God. There is no other possible explanation.
You don't even have the slightest inkling of what he did, do you? The Book of Mormon, as great as it is, is by no means the greatest achievement of Joseph Smith. It is, in fact, the prelude. He produced way more scripture than the Book of Mormon, with much deeper and detailed doctrine that you can possible imagine, ALL OF IT completely concordant with the text of the Bible AND **ALL** subsequent discoveries of ancient apocryphal writings, stuff that no one at the time even imagine could have possibly guessed to exist.
And even that isn't his greatest achievement. But you wouldn't understand that because you're caught up on the fact that someone actually saw and spoke with God.
> Joseph Smith, by all objective standards, was one of the greatest prophets
Mormons are to be laughed at. I laugh at you. The only difference between Mormonism and Scientology is that one is a fanfic while the other is OC.
How did he know what was in scrolls that were forgotten and long buried, only to be discovered a hundred years after he died? How did he know about the stories of Enoch, and not just one or two of them, but all of them?
How did he know about NHM in the Arabian Peninsula?
How did he learn those things? Who told him?
I think historians are all convinced that there had to be plates, and that they were metal.
The Book of Mormon doesn't testify of Joseph Smith. Listen to me closely: The fact that Joseph Smith produced the Book of Mormon is evidence that he was divinely inspired.
Really, there is only one possible reasonable conclusion from the evidence we have before us. But since you haven't seen the evidence, you wouldn't know. You just trust your pastor or whoever else is trying to deceive you rather than actually looking at the evidence.
And you guys call us a cult. It's silly, really.