New here?
Create an account to submit posts, participate in discussions and chat with people.
Sign up
Article by James B. Jordan, against the common futurist view:

https://lastdayspast.com/wp-content/uploads/2020/08/The-Future-of-Israel-Re-examined-James-B.-Jordan.pdf

Relevant as this is one of the key points that has to be broken in modern evangelicals that think they have to somehow support Ashkenazi's in hopes they will one day all convert, the Bible simply is not addressing them in this passage.

Guys like Doug Wilson end up going to the futurist view even though he knows better (he has read plenty of James B. Jordan), because he has jewish family members.

Jordan has warned the plot to get Christians to support the State of Israel over their Palestinian Chrisitan brothers and treat jews as some central part of Christianity is a Satanic delusion, audio clip:

https://files.catbox.moe/heswyj.mp4

Joel Webbon (Right Response Ministries) with Andrew Isker also explain this in Webbon's series on the JQ. So it's good the alternative view is spreading because it's almost certainly the correct one. No one would suggest the Samaritans had any relevance to any New Testament future prophecies, yet Ashkenazi's corrupted bloodline is even less relevant.

This is not to suggest the Khazarian theory, Ashkenazi's do have some bronze age Levantine genetics (mixed with other groups), and do likely contain curses that came with continued Talmudism (and their parasitical evolutionary group strategy), but there are no pure-blooded Israelites on this planet with any claim to OT covenant promises that were all made null and void with 70AD, including Romans 11 that was fulfilled probably late 60's AD.
You must log in or sign up to comment
7 comments:
MrBaptist on scored.co
1 year ago 3 points (+0 / -0 / +3Score on mirror ) 1 child
[Modern jews have Canaanite blood](https://archive.is/oLK5q):

> researchers have already mapped the DNA of ancient Canaanites, showing that they had a strong ancestral connection to modern-day Jewish and Arab populations

No Canaanite can be a legitimate Israelite.

Besides that, you have various prophecies explaining Israel would become a blessing to the nations. I don't know about you, but I don't think usury, pornography, faggotry, feminism, etc. count as blessings.
TakenusernameA on scored.co
1 year ago 0 points (+0 / -0 )
>Besides that, you have various prophecies explaining Israel would become a blessing to the nations

This was actually fulfilled in the Christianization of Europe, as Christians, and not the so called jews who have rejected Christ, are the seed of Abraham. Christ Himself said as much.

>but I don't think usury, pornography, faggotry, feminism, etc. count as blessings.

Ironically, these scourges only occured after America and Europe had rejected the Catholic Church, though I find it bizzare that Pre-Millenial Dispensationalists can still claim this when it is obvious that America has become one of the most reprobrate Nations on earth the more it war-mongers on behalf of the false jews.
WhatWouldMountainDew on scored.co
1 year ago 3 points (+0 / -0 / +3Score on mirror )
I have never found the preterist view very convincing but after skimming over Jordan's explanation, it seems like he has some points worth considering. Prophecy is a particularly tricky subject/genre because you first have to figure out what it means and then you have to figure out how to apply it (the who, what, when, where, and how). I'm glad he's clear on the fact that modern Jews do not worship the God of the Old testament. That always seems to trip up dispies.

As a side note (since you mentioned him) Doug Wilson has always struck me as someone who is a pied piper who uses clever wordsmithing to lead devotees toward whatever "brand" he is building.

The indomitable Dalrock was a lucid genius when it came to helping men apply red pill theory within a Christian context and pointed out many of Wilson's theological sleight of hands.

Ever since then I have been very skeptical of Wilson and within the last year I was watching one of his video essays (I think it's one where he tries to spoof the *scretape letters*) where he flips the script on the JQ by saying that "you focus too much on the propaganda that jews are behind x,y,&z. You can't judge them based off of that. You should judge them based only off the *good* stuff they do". The problem I have with that is from a "Christian" perspective, that is *exactly* what is already happening. I literally had to unlearn all of the philosemetic propaganda put out by (mostly but not always) dispensational Christians saying things like "when Truman acknowledged the existence of modern Israel, God blessed the U.S. with unprecedented prosperity".

Also, he's so fat that even if he was the big-brained genius his disciples think he is, I still wouldn't take him seriously.
TakenusernameA on scored.co
1 year ago 2 points (+0 / -0 / +2Score on mirror ) 1 child
Yeah, I think the Talmudists have completely co-opted the prophecy of the conversion of the jews, especially since the only jews likely to do so are the Karaites, and their numbers are very, very small. I generally take an Amillennialistic view as that's the official Church position, but reading over Revelation as well as some of Josephus' work, I cant help but think that the Revelation was meant to be taken in the immediate sense, as its likely the only Jews who survived the Roman sacking of Judea and then Hadrian's war on the remnant were the ones who converted to Christ.

 Also, its likely a very large number likely would have converted during Titus' invasion, because everything he did was a fulfillment of Christ's prophecies of Judea's destruction in His parables. One of the worst things the modernists have done to Scripture is try and abstract Christ's parables completely and separate them from the Historical and Prophetic context they occurred in.
MrBaptist on scored.co
1 year ago 1 point (+0 / -0 / +1Score on mirror ) 1 child
Modern interpretations often claim Revelation was written well after the fall of Jerusalem. Prophecies are of future events, so John can't be writing about what the Romans did (if that was already in the past when he wrote it), so everything described must have some other future application (even if it lines up perfectly with what the Romans did around 70 AD).

There are various arguments given to support this post-fall date for writing Revelation, but the #1 reason is rarely stated: they are working backwards from the premise of "the jews == Israel".

1. Israel will accept Jesus en masse (this much is actually true).
2. jews are the Israelites (because they say so).
3. Uh-oh, jews hate Jesus (really, *really* hate Jesus).
4. Therefore, Revelation etc. can only be about some future mass conversion of the jews - definitely not the Romans destroying Jerusalem because that would mean many prophecies about Israel must have have already been fulfilled without the jews accepting Jesus, which can't be true because the jews simply *must* be Israel...
TakenusernameA on scored.co
1 year ago 0 points (+0 / -0 )
It doesn't matter whether or not Revelation was written after the fall of Jerusalem, because some parts of it are talking of events that occurred before Man existed (such as Satan being driven out of Heaven by St. Michael), so its bizarre to argue that it isn't talking about (then) current events as well, unless, as you stated, the purpose is subversion.

Though on the subject of revelation, I wonder if the modern nation of Isntrael itself is a form of the Abomination of Desolation spoken of (though obviously it was also referring to the statue of Jupiter actually put in the Temple after the Roman Occupation).
Quantumtard on scored.co
1 year ago 0 points (+0 / -0 )
Everything you’ll ever need to know about romans 11 in a great sermon.

https://www.bitchute.com/video/9OOg564mmOKH/

Toast message