No matter who wins, whites will have to realize that Democracy is a sham an the only way to save their birthright is *not* through the ballot box of a rigged system.
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>Oy vey. What do you know... The Federal Reserve won again.
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its all a light-show for the cattle-masses
the kikes will elect whomever they want to elect, whether its to benefit israel, or global jewry and its shitskin allies
it literally does not matter if White men vote or not, because they're gonna get shafted regardless.
the kikes will elect whomever they want to elect, whether its to benefit israel, or global jewry and its shitskin allies
it literally does not matter if White men vote or not, because they're gonna get shafted regardless.
I have not seen that.
Left: "We hate white men!"
Right: "We don't hate white men."
But no one seems to be meaningfully courting white men. The left because they don't know how, and the right because they're still afraid of looking racist. But I haven't seen the shaming of which you speak from the right.
Left: "We hate white men!"
Right: "We don't hate white men."
But no one seems to be meaningfully courting white men. The left because they don't know how, and the right because they're still afraid of looking racist. But I haven't seen the shaming of which you speak from the right.
I really don't see the right doing what you're saying. I see them saying they're going to do things that will help white people but not stating white specifically. I see them specifically courting non-white groups and I assume that is strategic as they kind of de facto have the white vote. I'm not saying they couldn't do better for whites... But of your two choices the choice is obvious. I do see the left shaming whites for votes but I also see them using shame and fear on everyone else too. They are going heavy on shaming white men because they don't have anything to appeal to them. Their entire M.O. is take shit from white men and give it to anyone else.
I see it more in the general attitude among MAGA idiots this election, where if you don't "vote harder [current year]", you're "literally voting for Kamala" and the worst person ever. Given how much these retards prostrate before any non-white that says they'll vote for Trump, it tacitly implies that this hatred for people not voting for Trump is directly aimed at White people. The entire political right, including the MAGA right, claims that we need to be "big tent" (attracting non-white votes, which never, ever works) or "we won't survive", but if a White person dares to not like the steady leftward push of the mainstream right, the increasingly brazen anti-White sentiment, how every policy and decision, from both parties, is blatantly anti-White, if we exfiltrate ourselves from the system and stop voting for it, we're terrible people. How dare we not vote for the right when it caters to everyone else but is actively antagonistic to our people.
If you don't vote, or advocate for not voting, because the entire system is rigged and both parties are corrupt, controlled, and pushing the Kalergi plan, the MAGA right will call you a fed, a traitor, an idiot, a Democrat, or some other slur. Every single time I've relayed my (and our) reasons for not voting for Trump, I don't get a single response from the MAGA right. They have zero rebuttals. To make it more astoundingly retarded, they've completely forgotten what everyone on the MAGA right were saying after the 2020 steal, where the vast majority (or a very large share) wanted to violently revolt, because the system was so insanely corrupt and incapable of being fixed through the system. But if you advocate for violent revolt now, or even point out the previous sentiment in 2020, you're literally Hitler, a Democrat shill, or a fed.
These brainwashed idiots are stuck in a 4 year loop, where they forget what happened 4 years prior, and keep repeating the same failed paths in perpetuity. They're incapable of fixing a damned thing, and actively betray anyone that wishes to fix our problems.
If you don't vote, or advocate for not voting, because the entire system is rigged and both parties are corrupt, controlled, and pushing the Kalergi plan, the MAGA right will call you a fed, a traitor, an idiot, a Democrat, or some other slur. Every single time I've relayed my (and our) reasons for not voting for Trump, I don't get a single response from the MAGA right. They have zero rebuttals. To make it more astoundingly retarded, they've completely forgotten what everyone on the MAGA right were saying after the 2020 steal, where the vast majority (or a very large share) wanted to violently revolt, because the system was so insanely corrupt and incapable of being fixed through the system. But if you advocate for violent revolt now, or even point out the previous sentiment in 2020, you're literally Hitler, a Democrat shill, or a fed.
These brainwashed idiots are stuck in a 4 year loop, where they forget what happened 4 years prior, and keep repeating the same failed paths in perpetuity. They're incapable of fixing a damned thing, and actively betray anyone that wishes to fix our problems.
This is exactly why it would be very important for Trump to lose. If Trump wins, all those cuckservative retards (which include a lot of fighting age White men) can go back to sleep and dream that they live in a democracy that can cater for their interests at least until they are outnumbered by the masses of non-whites.
Trump losing would be great for us. It would make millions of White men see what we have already understood in this forum.
Trump losing would be great for us. It would make millions of White men see what we have already understood in this forum.
I disagree. With both of you. I truly don't believe Trump is owned. I don't think they would have so drastically pushed the media against him for so long if he was part of their plan. I think they can use him and they are but I don't think he is actually aware of this. I think he genuinely wants to "make America great again" but his idea of how to make that happen is to return us to a not so distant past. He is genuinely not racist. He does not completely see the machine. He sees parts of it that he's fighting against but he doesn't recognize the whole. If he can get even a quarter of the immigration shit done I'd consider that a huge win.
For us... We're just not at critical mass. We still need more time to cook. Maybe the whites will never be ready but I think we've seen serious progress over the past two terms. I think a Kamala win would be demoralizing, not stimulate a revolt. If Trump wins I think the media and the left continue to attack him and call him Hitler. This is probably to the disadvantage of the machine but I think they've kind of lost their grip on the reigns of TDS. That is exactly what we need. We need them to keep calling him Hitler, fascist, nazi. If he does start deporting they won't be able to help themselves. They'll have a ton of material. They'll be calling holding facilities concentration camps. They'll keep sperging about it making themselves look more and more ridiculous because this was exactly why people voted for him. By doing that they just keep dulling the blade of "racism" that they had sharpened for decades. It's been happening all this time. For the masses racism has become less and less of a threat because of the left constantly crying wolf and this has led many to recognize that racism isn't just not a threat but is the material biological reality of the world. That's what we need. Critical mass. I could see a peaceful path to where we want to be via that route but even if peace is an impossibility we still need more people.
I do encourage you all to vote Trump. Your accelerationism won't work because you don't have enough gas in the tank. Maybe your vote really doesn't count but in that case... Pascals wager. You don't lose anything by casting your pointless vote and if it's not pointless you're choosing the path that will more likely lead to our victory down the road. If he actually can manage to do something about illegals that's not nothing. Politically it's baby steps in the right direction. Culturally it's strides. You can morally grand stand all you want about how he's their guy but you're more wrong than right and it will not help you win. You don't have the man power or the motivation enough right now to enact your American Reich fantasy but the tide of history has turned in your favor so strap in and have a little patience and some fucking white babies for God's sake.
For us... We're just not at critical mass. We still need more time to cook. Maybe the whites will never be ready but I think we've seen serious progress over the past two terms. I think a Kamala win would be demoralizing, not stimulate a revolt. If Trump wins I think the media and the left continue to attack him and call him Hitler. This is probably to the disadvantage of the machine but I think they've kind of lost their grip on the reigns of TDS. That is exactly what we need. We need them to keep calling him Hitler, fascist, nazi. If he does start deporting they won't be able to help themselves. They'll have a ton of material. They'll be calling holding facilities concentration camps. They'll keep sperging about it making themselves look more and more ridiculous because this was exactly why people voted for him. By doing that they just keep dulling the blade of "racism" that they had sharpened for decades. It's been happening all this time. For the masses racism has become less and less of a threat because of the left constantly crying wolf and this has led many to recognize that racism isn't just not a threat but is the material biological reality of the world. That's what we need. Critical mass. I could see a peaceful path to where we want to be via that route but even if peace is an impossibility we still need more people.
I do encourage you all to vote Trump. Your accelerationism won't work because you don't have enough gas in the tank. Maybe your vote really doesn't count but in that case... Pascals wager. You don't lose anything by casting your pointless vote and if it's not pointless you're choosing the path that will more likely lead to our victory down the road. If he actually can manage to do something about illegals that's not nothing. Politically it's baby steps in the right direction. Culturally it's strides. You can morally grand stand all you want about how he's their guy but you're more wrong than right and it will not help you win. You don't have the man power or the motivation enough right now to enact your American Reich fantasy but the tide of history has turned in your favor so strap in and have a little patience and some fucking white babies for God's sake.
This is a well reasoned opinion, but the issue here is that you're grossly overestimating what Trump will do, and what he represents.
Kamala is not accelerationism because there is virtually no difference between Kamala and Trump. They both openly agree that America is a piece of land that anyone can come to and work and have equal rights. Trump's ideals of America, in a racial sense, are absolutely identical to Kamala's. In fact, Trump promised to open the floodgates to millions of shitskin workers on visa.
As for the deportation of illegals, that is not going to happen. Trump could have done it in 2016, and he deported literally nobody. I don't mean resending home the ones caught at the border, I mean catching and deporting illegal aliens living here. And even if he did, that still wouldn't help us because it keeps shifting the narrative about being "legal" vs being "undocumented" instead of being "Aryan" vs being "non-white".
A win for Trump in 2016 was seen as some sort of victory for White people, even though Trump has never openly supported Whites. The situation is completely different now. Trump win is going to be seen as a win for Israel, and this will demoralize the White Nationalists and embolden the cuckservative zionists.
Again, it's not accelerationism that makes me wish for Kamala to win. It's because a Trump victory would be detrimental to White Nationalism: civic nationalism is our biggest enemy, it's not a less than perfect version of what we want.
Kamala is not accelerationism because there is virtually no difference between Kamala and Trump. They both openly agree that America is a piece of land that anyone can come to and work and have equal rights. Trump's ideals of America, in a racial sense, are absolutely identical to Kamala's. In fact, Trump promised to open the floodgates to millions of shitskin workers on visa.
As for the deportation of illegals, that is not going to happen. Trump could have done it in 2016, and he deported literally nobody. I don't mean resending home the ones caught at the border, I mean catching and deporting illegal aliens living here. And even if he did, that still wouldn't help us because it keeps shifting the narrative about being "legal" vs being "undocumented" instead of being "Aryan" vs being "non-white".
A win for Trump in 2016 was seen as some sort of victory for White people, even though Trump has never openly supported Whites. The situation is completely different now. Trump win is going to be seen as a win for Israel, and this will demoralize the White Nationalists and embolden the cuckservative zionists.
Again, it's not accelerationism that makes me wish for Kamala to win. It's because a Trump victory would be detrimental to White Nationalism: civic nationalism is our biggest enemy, it's not a less than perfect version of what we want.
I'm not 100% sure that Trump is controlled opposition. He might just be a legitimate useful idiot, propped up by the system as a useful outlet (for them) to aggregate and condense dissident voices under the false savior/bad leader to neuter our resistance. The system doesn't need to groom every single false savior to do this. They can use the genuine people who try to lead, and pick the worst of the litter to prop up, and censor and quash any effective leaders, to control what people see.
> or us... We're just not at critical mass. We still need more time to cook. Maybe the whites will never be ready but I think we've seen serious progress over the past two terms. I think a Kamala win would be demoralizing, not stimulate a revolt. If Trump wins I think the media and the left continue to attack him and call him Hitler. This is probably to the disadvantage of the machine but I think they've kind of lost their grip on the reigns of TDS. That is exactly what we need. We need them to keep calling him Hitler, fascist, nazi. If he does start deporting they won't be able to help themselves. They'll have a ton of material. They'll be calling holding facilities concentration camps. They'll keep sperging about it making themselves look more and more ridiculous because this was exactly why people voted for him. By doing that they just keep dulling the blade of "racism" that they had sharpened for decades. It's been happening all this time. For the masses racism has become less and less of a threat because of the left constantly crying wolf and this has led many to recognize that racism isn't just not a threat but is the material biological reality of the world.
You're forgetting a fundamental fact. People don't revolt, wake up, reject lies, or change their behavior when they're comfortable. Comfortable people don't change. Voting for Trump, or any mainstream right winger, is only a delaying tactic. Since the mainstream right, by malicious design or genuine stupidity, can't fix our current problems. At most, they can reel back in some of the discomfort, and delay the coming collapse and mass violence. Delaying the inevitable is the worst thing we could do right now. Making people less uncomfortable is the worst thing we could do right now.
We've only seen a massive surge in red pilling precisely because people are being made uncomfortable, because the lies (of the left and right) don't make sense. Discomfort forces people to reevaluate, to reconsider, and search for better information and arguments that make the world make sense. If you take away that discomfort, you take away the impetus to seek the truth, reject the lies, to change, and to fix the problems which caused the discomfort.
Let's pretend that Trump does a lot of what he says he'll do. Let's say he's able to improve the economy and stop some, or most, of the non-white invasion. This will give more fuel to the race blind right, more fuel to the Kalergi plan left. This will hurt our own movement, because it shows that a Western nation can still "work" with all of the non-whites we have. Your goals are counter productive.
At the very least, this will hinder the acceleration of the red pills that have been dispensed since 2016, neutering any advancement almost entirely, which will give even more time for the Kalergi plan to proceed. The people in power are betting that by the time White people finally wake up and fight back, we'll be in such a small minority that we have no chance of winning. Voting for Trump, or any current right wing political leader, is only enabling that delay of action, which works in the (((globalist's))) favor.
> That's what we need. Critical mass.
No effective revolution has ever needed majority support. It only needed an effective minority and strong leaders to condense around. Currently, we don't have strong leaders to rally behind. The good voices we do have in the race realism right don't want to lead, or aren't seeking it. They're only forming local movements, at best.
> I could see a peaceful path to where we want to be via that route but even if peace is an impossibility we still need more people.
This is naive, at best. There is no peaceful solution out of this. Violence, whether we seek it or not, is inevitable. Every single metric for civilizational rise and fall is pointing downward, toward collapse. Civilizational collapse will unfurl all the bullshit, and the truth will come roaring back, including race realism. Collapse will result in mass violence. The only question is what position we'll be in what it hits, and if we're able to push it along to happen in our lifetimes, before the demographic shift is too far advanced.
> I do encourage you all to vote Trump. Your accelerationism won't work because you don't have enough gas in the tank.
The only way to overcome a lie is to think, speak, and act in the truth. If you only act in half truths, in less severe lies to overcome the worse lies, you only end up harming yourself. You can't, and you won't, ever fix a problem with more lies. Trump won't fix our problems. By voting for a false savior, by continuing to vote within the confines of an extremely corrupted system, you only press your stamp of approval on that system, and deny any other outlet for change (i.e. revolt and violence). By continually advocating for voting, you suppress and challenge all dissenting voices which are saying that it won't work, that we should revolt.
> Pascals wager
I don't see how this connects to the current discussion at all. Pascal's wager is about believing in God, for fear of punishment of not believing in God. This current discussion (or at least where you steered it with your last comment), is about voting vs revolt, comfortable lies vs uncomfortable truths, how human behavior and circumstance affects how we act. Would you mind explaining how Pascal's wager is involved in this discussion?
> You don't have the man power or the motivation enough right now to enact your American Reich fantasy but the tide of history has turned in your favor so strap in and have a little patience and some fucking white babies for God's sake.
People's views are often colored by their own motivations, triumphs, and faults. Is this your view of us, colored by your own bias, or a factual assessment?
Ever since the implementation of feminism, regardless of country, birth rates have fallen below replacement level. Every time you push women into the workforce en masse, to pursue a career over family, the birth rates fall below 2.1. There's no way to get around this, other than to stop feminism entirely, to put women back into the home, to pursue a family first. This would require a monumental shift in policy, which Trump, nor any other mainstream right winger, will do. They don't have the understanding, wherewithal, or courage to do it. Why? Because people like you still think we can only act when most people agree with us. Bullshit.
Again, your way will result in a delaying tactic, and only further the Kalergi plan, where White people are demographically replaced in our own countries. There are only a few White demographics in the U.S. right now that are having kids above replacement level: rural/farmer Whites, Mormons, Mennonites, and Amish. That's it, and it's not enough to combat open borders and mass non-white immigration, who are being artificially brought here by the millions every year. Your plan gives the Kalergi plan more time to unfold, and doesn't undo any of the damage being done to us, or fix any of the problems. Your plan only makes people less uncomfortable.
> or us... We're just not at critical mass. We still need more time to cook. Maybe the whites will never be ready but I think we've seen serious progress over the past two terms. I think a Kamala win would be demoralizing, not stimulate a revolt. If Trump wins I think the media and the left continue to attack him and call him Hitler. This is probably to the disadvantage of the machine but I think they've kind of lost their grip on the reigns of TDS. That is exactly what we need. We need them to keep calling him Hitler, fascist, nazi. If he does start deporting they won't be able to help themselves. They'll have a ton of material. They'll be calling holding facilities concentration camps. They'll keep sperging about it making themselves look more and more ridiculous because this was exactly why people voted for him. By doing that they just keep dulling the blade of "racism" that they had sharpened for decades. It's been happening all this time. For the masses racism has become less and less of a threat because of the left constantly crying wolf and this has led many to recognize that racism isn't just not a threat but is the material biological reality of the world.
You're forgetting a fundamental fact. People don't revolt, wake up, reject lies, or change their behavior when they're comfortable. Comfortable people don't change. Voting for Trump, or any mainstream right winger, is only a delaying tactic. Since the mainstream right, by malicious design or genuine stupidity, can't fix our current problems. At most, they can reel back in some of the discomfort, and delay the coming collapse and mass violence. Delaying the inevitable is the worst thing we could do right now. Making people less uncomfortable is the worst thing we could do right now.
We've only seen a massive surge in red pilling precisely because people are being made uncomfortable, because the lies (of the left and right) don't make sense. Discomfort forces people to reevaluate, to reconsider, and search for better information and arguments that make the world make sense. If you take away that discomfort, you take away the impetus to seek the truth, reject the lies, to change, and to fix the problems which caused the discomfort.
Let's pretend that Trump does a lot of what he says he'll do. Let's say he's able to improve the economy and stop some, or most, of the non-white invasion. This will give more fuel to the race blind right, more fuel to the Kalergi plan left. This will hurt our own movement, because it shows that a Western nation can still "work" with all of the non-whites we have. Your goals are counter productive.
At the very least, this will hinder the acceleration of the red pills that have been dispensed since 2016, neutering any advancement almost entirely, which will give even more time for the Kalergi plan to proceed. The people in power are betting that by the time White people finally wake up and fight back, we'll be in such a small minority that we have no chance of winning. Voting for Trump, or any current right wing political leader, is only enabling that delay of action, which works in the (((globalist's))) favor.
> That's what we need. Critical mass.
No effective revolution has ever needed majority support. It only needed an effective minority and strong leaders to condense around. Currently, we don't have strong leaders to rally behind. The good voices we do have in the race realism right don't want to lead, or aren't seeking it. They're only forming local movements, at best.
> I could see a peaceful path to where we want to be via that route but even if peace is an impossibility we still need more people.
This is naive, at best. There is no peaceful solution out of this. Violence, whether we seek it or not, is inevitable. Every single metric for civilizational rise and fall is pointing downward, toward collapse. Civilizational collapse will unfurl all the bullshit, and the truth will come roaring back, including race realism. Collapse will result in mass violence. The only question is what position we'll be in what it hits, and if we're able to push it along to happen in our lifetimes, before the demographic shift is too far advanced.
> I do encourage you all to vote Trump. Your accelerationism won't work because you don't have enough gas in the tank.
The only way to overcome a lie is to think, speak, and act in the truth. If you only act in half truths, in less severe lies to overcome the worse lies, you only end up harming yourself. You can't, and you won't, ever fix a problem with more lies. Trump won't fix our problems. By voting for a false savior, by continuing to vote within the confines of an extremely corrupted system, you only press your stamp of approval on that system, and deny any other outlet for change (i.e. revolt and violence). By continually advocating for voting, you suppress and challenge all dissenting voices which are saying that it won't work, that we should revolt.
> Pascals wager
I don't see how this connects to the current discussion at all. Pascal's wager is about believing in God, for fear of punishment of not believing in God. This current discussion (or at least where you steered it with your last comment), is about voting vs revolt, comfortable lies vs uncomfortable truths, how human behavior and circumstance affects how we act. Would you mind explaining how Pascal's wager is involved in this discussion?
> You don't have the man power or the motivation enough right now to enact your American Reich fantasy but the tide of history has turned in your favor so strap in and have a little patience and some fucking white babies for God's sake.
People's views are often colored by their own motivations, triumphs, and faults. Is this your view of us, colored by your own bias, or a factual assessment?
Ever since the implementation of feminism, regardless of country, birth rates have fallen below replacement level. Every time you push women into the workforce en masse, to pursue a career over family, the birth rates fall below 2.1. There's no way to get around this, other than to stop feminism entirely, to put women back into the home, to pursue a family first. This would require a monumental shift in policy, which Trump, nor any other mainstream right winger, will do. They don't have the understanding, wherewithal, or courage to do it. Why? Because people like you still think we can only act when most people agree with us. Bullshit.
Again, your way will result in a delaying tactic, and only further the Kalergi plan, where White people are demographically replaced in our own countries. There are only a few White demographics in the U.S. right now that are having kids above replacement level: rural/farmer Whites, Mormons, Mennonites, and Amish. That's it, and it's not enough to combat open borders and mass non-white immigration, who are being artificially brought here by the millions every year. Your plan gives the Kalergi plan more time to unfold, and doesn't undo any of the damage being done to us, or fix any of the problems. Your plan only makes people less uncomfortable.
You honestly think Kamala is better? Yeah yeah, vote for no one and let Kamala steal it?
Sit down, Kike. So tired of this. Some of you are RETARDED and most of you aren’t Americans posting here.
Sit down, Kike. So tired of this. Some of you are RETARDED and most of you aren’t Americans posting here.
Good job missing the point of how the entire system is kiked. Sure, it's going to be nice having somewhat lower food and fuel prices for the next four years, but Trump getting back in will also put most of the right back to sleep and then the party will present us with a standard (((neocon))) candidate in 2028, facing off against a standard (((neolib))) and our nation will continue the century-long downward spiral. And no, I'm not saying to vote for the pajeeta, she's a throwaway candidate with no chance just like McCain and Pierre Delecto were.
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