My uncle, whom i work with, refuses to speak to me or even be in the same room as me all just because I was reading the glr classic book "White Power". I guess he got triggered by the title and swastikas on the cover. Fucking ridiculous, how you gonna stay mad at someone for reading a book ?
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>why the fuck would you ostracize a FAMILY MEMBER because of views?
That’s what 80% of the population does, man.
>only a taste of it
See, you know why, even if you won’t consciously admit it to yourself. *“Family” doesn’t exist anymore.* Communism won 80 years ago. The basic unit of society is now the individual, not the family. Thus, we don’t *have* a society anymore. You can’t tell the truth because you’ll be banned from everything forever, and your family has to kick you out to protect themselves, because they’ll be banned from everything forever if they don’t disagree with you.
>“As civilization has advanced, the pack-bond (the tribe, the extended family) has been broken. This is the root of the widely diagnosed “anomie” or “alienation” or “existential anguish” about which so many social critics have written so eloquently. What has happened is that **the conditioning of the bio-survival bond to the gene-pool has been replaced by a conditioning of bio-survival drives to hook onto the peculiar tickets which we call “money.”** Concretely, a modern man or woman doesn’t look for bio-survival security in the gene-pool, the pack, the extended family. Bio-survival depends on getting the tickets. ‘You can’t live without money!’ as the Living Theatre troop used to cry out in anguish. If the tickets are withdrawn, acute bio-survival anxiety appears at once. Imagine, as vividly as possible, what you would feel, and what you would do, if all your sources to bio-survival tickets (money) were cut off tomorrow. This is precisely what tribal men and women feel if cut off from the tribe; it is why exile, or even ostracism, were sufficient punishments to enforce tribal conformity throughout most of human history. As recently as Shakespeare’s day, the threat of exile was an acute terror signal (‘Banished!’ cries Romeo, ‘the damned use that word in Hell!’). **In traditional society, belonging to the tribe was bio-security; exile was terror, and real threat of death. In modern society, having the tickets (money) is bio-security; having the tickets withdrawn is terror.**” **~ Robert Anton Wilson**; *Prometheus Rising*, p. 52; 1983
> “If any man come to Me and hate not his father and mother, and wife and children, and brethren and sisters, yea, and his own life also, he cannot be My disciple."
If God commanded us to wholly separate ourselves from and hate our family, He wouldn't have also told us:
Ephesians 6:2-3:
> “Honor your father and mother, as the Lord your God has commanded you, so that you may live long and prosper in the land the Lord your God is giving you.”
Exodus 20:12:
> “Honor your father and your mother, that your days may be prolonged in the land which the Lord your God gives you.”
Proverbs 1:8-9:
> “Listen, my son, to your father’s instruction and do not forsake your mother’s teaching. They will be a garland to grace your head and a pendant for your neck.”
Thus, Jesus must be meaning something else. In the original Greek, "hate" is translated from "miseo", which can mean hate, but also "reject".
Humans are imperfect, finite, mortal creatures. God (and Jesus) are perfect, infinite, and immortal. In order for us to follow God/Jesus, we must reject our imperfections.
Is this not how good people, in general, are morally obligated to act? If our family members fall to falsehoods and lies, we're obligated to stand firm in truth, and to not fall victim to our own family's faults, no matter how much we may love them. This is the correct interpretation of that passage. We're not supposed to fully reject and hate our family, only to prioritize truth (God) above our family. That's the proper order of things, whether you're a Christian or not.
There is nothing to "interpret". That passage says what it says. The passages that you brought as counterargument were not the words of Jesus Christ, none of them. In a different passage Jesus says that he brings war between family members.
So he tells us to love strangers and enemies, and he tells us to hate and go to war against our family members!
> We're not supposed to fully reject and hate our family, only to prioritize truth (God) above our family.
Yes I understand that this is the point. You're not supposed to hate your family only because they are your family, but you are supposed to put loving God above loving your own family.
And this is *exactly* what I said in my previous post. It breaks down the bonds of blood, because now there is something more important than your own blood; there's a rabbi that you need to love more than your own children.
Note how it doesn't say that you need to love God more than you love your neighbor; Jesus attacks the love for your family and promotes the love for strangers, hence eliminating the special bond that you should have with your kin.
> prioritize truth (God) above our family. That's the proper order of things, whether you're a Christian or not.
This is not the proper order of things. This is the order of things of a psychotic schizophrenic. Abraham heard voices in his head and tried to murder his own son. And you don't think this sounds crazy?
Would you murder your own family if you think you've heard the voice of god commanding you to do so?
That’s what 80% of the population does, man.
>only a taste of it
See, you know why, even if you won’t consciously admit it to yourself. *“Family” doesn’t exist anymore.* Communism won 80 years ago. The basic unit of society is now the individual, not the family. Thus, we don’t *have* a society anymore. You can’t tell the truth because you’ll be banned from everything forever, and your family has to kick you out to protect themselves, because they’ll be banned from everything forever if they don’t disagree with you.
>“As civilization has advanced, the pack-bond (the tribe, the extended family) has been broken. This is the root of the widely diagnosed “anomie” or “alienation” or “existential anguish” about which so many social critics have written so eloquently. What has happened is that **the conditioning of the bio-survival bond to the gene-pool has been replaced by a conditioning of bio-survival drives to hook onto the peculiar tickets which we call “money.”** Concretely, a modern man or woman doesn’t look for bio-survival security in the gene-pool, the pack, the extended family. Bio-survival depends on getting the tickets. ‘You can’t live without money!’ as the Living Theatre troop used to cry out in anguish. If the tickets are withdrawn, acute bio-survival anxiety appears at once. Imagine, as vividly as possible, what you would feel, and what you would do, if all your sources to bio-survival tickets (money) were cut off tomorrow. This is precisely what tribal men and women feel if cut off from the tribe; it is why exile, or even ostracism, were sufficient punishments to enforce tribal conformity throughout most of human history. As recently as Shakespeare’s day, the threat of exile was an acute terror signal (‘Banished!’ cries Romeo, ‘the damned use that word in Hell!’). **In traditional society, belonging to the tribe was bio-security; exile was terror, and real threat of death. In modern society, having the tickets (money) is bio-security; having the tickets withdrawn is terror.**” **~ Robert Anton Wilson**; *Prometheus Rising*, p. 52; 1983
You mean 2000 years ago. Jesus explicitly said that we must hate our own family. He also said that we should not recognize our father as our father.
The entire religion of Christianity has the purpose of destroying the bonds of blood.
Communism is just a repackaging of Christianity.
It's fucking hilarious how you pretend to hate communism.
?
For reference: Luke 14:26:
> “If any man come to Me and hate not his father and mother, and wife and children, and brethren and sisters, yea, and his own life also, he cannot be My disciple."
If God commanded us to wholly separate ourselves from and hate our family, He wouldn't have also told us:
Ephesians 6:2-3:
> “Honor your father and mother, as the Lord your God has commanded you, so that you may live long and prosper in the land the Lord your God is giving you.”
Exodus 20:12:
> “Honor your father and your mother, that your days may be prolonged in the land which the Lord your God gives you.”
Proverbs 1:8-9:
> “Listen, my son, to your father’s instruction and do not forsake your mother’s teaching. They will be a garland to grace your head and a pendant for your neck.”
Thus, Jesus must be meaning something else. In the original Greek, "hate" is translated from "miseo", which can mean hate, but also "reject".
Humans are imperfect, finite, mortal creatures. God (and Jesus) are perfect, infinite, and immortal. In order for us to follow God/Jesus, we must reject our imperfections.
Is this not how good people, in general, are morally obligated to act? If our family members fall to falsehoods and lies, we're obligated to stand firm in truth, and to not fall victim to our own family's faults, no matter how much we may love them. This is the correct interpretation of that passage. We're not supposed to fully reject and hate our family, only to prioritize truth (God) above our family. That's the proper order of things, whether you're a Christian or not.
So he tells us to love strangers and enemies, and he tells us to hate and go to war against our family members!
> We're not supposed to fully reject and hate our family, only to prioritize truth (God) above our family.
Yes I understand that this is the point. You're not supposed to hate your family only because they are your family, but you are supposed to put loving God above loving your own family.
And this is *exactly* what I said in my previous post. It breaks down the bonds of blood, because now there is something more important than your own blood; there's a rabbi that you need to love more than your own children.
Note how it doesn't say that you need to love God more than you love your neighbor; Jesus attacks the love for your family and promotes the love for strangers, hence eliminating the special bond that you should have with your kin.
> prioritize truth (God) above our family. That's the proper order of things, whether you're a Christian or not.
This is not the proper order of things. This is the order of things of a psychotic schizophrenic. Abraham heard voices in his head and tried to murder his own son. And you don't think this sounds crazy?
Would you murder your own family if you think you've heard the voice of god commanding you to do so?