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I feel like that entire document can be summed up by paragraph 34, which begins "No one would think of preventing young Germans establishing a true ethnical community in a noble love of freedom and loyalty to their country."
It seems less a condemnation of the concepts of national socialism itself than a condemnation of Germany's particular execution of it, which sought to supplant the church and God with the state and the race. Germany wanted to pick their own bishops, much like China today.
"Whoever exalts race, or the people, or the State, or a particular form of State, or the depositories of power, or any other fundamental value of the human community – however necessary and honorable be their function in worldly things – whoever raises these notions above their standard value and divinizes them to an idolatrous level, distorts and perverts an order of the world planned and created by God; he is far from the true faith in God and from the concept of life which that faith upholds….
None but superficial minds could stumble into concepts of a national God, of a national religion; or attempt to lock within the frontiers of a single people, within the narrow limits of a single race, God, the Creator of the universe, King and Legislator of all nations before whose immensity they are “as a drop of a bucket” (Isaiah xI, 15)."
Is that a direct condemnation of national socialism? Can it not be equally applied to any form of government or society, including monarchies and democracies?
It is a clear and direct condemnation of the concept that whites are somehow divine and that Christianity is only for them, as well as of neopagans who reject Christianity as having betrayed them.
In one way, it can: If any state puts the authority of the State above the Church in matters of Faith and morality, then it is condemned by the Church for doing so. Fascist Italy and National Socialist Germany were both condemned by the Church for putting the State authority over Faith and Morality. However, so was the United States and other liberal democracies for Separation of Church and State and putting State authority over Faith and Morals in those liberal democracies.
So any government can work as long as it submits to the Church on Faith and morality. Here a re some examples: The Holy Roman Empire was a monarchy, and it submitted to the Church on Faith and Morals. So did many other Catholic European Countries. The Republic of Venice in the Middle Ages and Ecuador under Gabriel Garcia Moreno were both republics, but submitted to the Church on Faith and Morals, so those were still valid Catholic States. Both Franco of Spain and Salazar of Portugal in the 20th Century were considered dictators, but they were still legitimate leaders of Catholic States because they submitted to the Church on Faith and Morals.
The key is the natural and national State must submit to the supernatural and supranational Church on Faith and morals, or it is disordered and should be condemned by the Church.
You should moderate any naturalistic ideologies to the supernatural moral teachings of the Church in order to be Catholic. I wrote an article where I demonstrated how to do this with "far-right ideologies":
I saw nothing that even suggested a blanket condemnation of natsoc, ONLY where blood/ state is put above God. This could apply for literally anybody. Reading the Rhetoric of Mussolini and Hitler, it's clear that this was not intended in any case.
I think his reaction is due to a bad past with nazis in his action groups. I can't exactly blame him.. He want's explicitly Catholic action, not nazi Catholic action.
Your last sentence is correct. I have had bad experiences with so-called "Nazi-Catholics" joining my real-life (and online) groups and essentially destroying them.
That being said, I am not really that antagonistic towards Nazis lol.
I recognize that this board is pro-Nazi, and have never attacked anyone here (that didn't attack me first).
I am fine with Nazis being Nazis... Just as long as they stay in their lane and don't call themselves "Catholic" and try to subvert my Catholic Action efforts lol.
My main concern is Jews, anyways, which is something that Nazis and I agree on. I don't see Nazis as a threat as long as they don't try to subvert my groups and push anything anti-Catholic.
It seems less a condemnation of the concepts of national socialism itself than a condemnation of Germany's particular execution of it, which sought to supplant the church and God with the state and the race. Germany wanted to pick their own bishops, much like China today.
https://t.me/thecatholicstate/137
"Whoever exalts race, or the people, or the State, or a particular form of State, or the depositories of power, or any other fundamental value of the human community – however necessary and honorable be their function in worldly things – whoever raises these notions above their standard value and divinizes them to an idolatrous level, distorts and perverts an order of the world planned and created by God; he is far from the true faith in God and from the concept of life which that faith upholds….
None but superficial minds could stumble into concepts of a national God, of a national religion; or attempt to lock within the frontiers of a single people, within the narrow limits of a single race, God, the Creator of the universe, King and Legislator of all nations before whose immensity they are “as a drop of a bucket” (Isaiah xI, 15)."
It is a clear and direct condemnation of the concept that whites are somehow divine and that Christianity is only for them, as well as of neopagans who reject Christianity as having betrayed them.
So any government can work as long as it submits to the Church on Faith and morality. Here a re some examples: The Holy Roman Empire was a monarchy, and it submitted to the Church on Faith and Morals. So did many other Catholic European Countries. The Republic of Venice in the Middle Ages and Ecuador under Gabriel Garcia Moreno were both republics, but submitted to the Church on Faith and Morals, so those were still valid Catholic States. Both Franco of Spain and Salazar of Portugal in the 20th Century were considered dictators, but they were still legitimate leaders of Catholic States because they submitted to the Church on Faith and Morals.
The key is the natural and national State must submit to the supernatural and supranational Church on Faith and morals, or it is disordered and should be condemned by the Church.
https://christtheking.info/far-right-modernism-a-new-kind-of-modernism/
If you can order things rightly, and assent to Catholic teachings, then you are Catholic.
https://communities.win/c/ConsumeProduct/p/1994kKUC84/x/c
I saw nothing that even suggested a blanket condemnation of natsoc, ONLY where blood/ state is put above God. This could apply for literally anybody. Reading the Rhetoric of Mussolini and Hitler, it's clear that this was not intended in any case.
I think his reaction is due to a bad past with nazis in his action groups. I can't exactly blame him.. He want's explicitly Catholic action, not nazi Catholic action.
That being said, I am not really that antagonistic towards Nazis lol.
I recognize that this board is pro-Nazi, and have never attacked anyone here (that didn't attack me first).
I am fine with Nazis being Nazis... Just as long as they stay in their lane and don't call themselves "Catholic" and try to subvert my Catholic Action efforts lol.
My main concern is Jews, anyways, which is something that Nazis and I agree on. I don't see Nazis as a threat as long as they don't try to subvert my groups and push anything anti-Catholic.