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> Roman suppression of Christians was just suppression of jews.
Except that the original uncoverted Jews were the ones who incited the Empire to crack down on Christianity in the first place. Otherwise the Romans at worst simply didnt care about Christianity when they first encountered it, and many willingly embraced it. The jews would never create a religion devoted to exposing themselves, their plans are intricate and overcomplicated, and sometime retarded, but never *that* retarded. And (((they))) didnt even exist at the time, their sect was created well after the destruction of Judea and the original Judahites.
I could go on and on about this, but suffice it to say:
The Samaritans, who were descended from Joseph rather than Judah, told the Romans that they were cool with the Roman religion because it was congruent with their religion.
Jesus chose to reveal himself publicly to the woman at the well, a Samaritan whose husbands died and she remarried multiple times. In other words, he revealed himself to the least of the Josephites rather than the greatest of jews. She went and told her village of the news, and they accepted Jesus as the Messiah and Christ.
The reason why there was so much success at converting the Romans and Greeks from the very beginning was because their religion, and what we are told was their religion is simply not true, was congruent with the actual God in heaven. The jews, meanwhile, worshiped a corrupted form of religion with very strange teachings. Jesus famously told the pharisees "Didn't King David say 'Ye are gods!'" For this, they tried to put him to death.
Christianity is NOT based on judaism. Or rather, what the jews taught themselves in the first century has little to do with Christianity. Instead, the Romans and Greek philosophers were closer to the truth than they were.
The reason why so many people struggle with the Old Testament is because you are relying on the jews to interpret it for you. Throw their advice in the garbage, better yet, invert the advice. You'll see that the true nature of God isn't found in judaism or anything like it.
The only reason Jesus stuck around Judea was because he was prophesied to do so, and it was prophesied that they would reject him and bring upon themselves God's condemnation for perverting the word and murdering the servants and son of God.
>Christianity is NOT based on judaism. Or rather, what the jews taught themselves in the first century has little to do with Christianity. Instead, the Romans and Greek philosophers were closer to the truth than they were.
I'd agree with you on this to some degree, because modern Kabalistic "judaism" is literally Antinomian Gnosticism, which was a satanic cult that originated around when Christ showed up and taught that the material universe itself was evil, and that God was evil for making it, and that there was a higher "god" above Him, and that the Law should be perverted and inverted wherever possible as an act of rebellion (which resulted in the Antinomian Gnostics being massive degenerates and self-absorbed sophists). Gnosticism as a whole basically died off (or at least seemed to) shortly after Christianity began to spread in earnest, but its abundantly clear some of the worse aforementioned Antinomian forms of it survived and were reborn as the mock-Judaism we know and hate today in Babylon, mixing in some of the legalistic practices of the Pharisees to create the Talmud. "Judaism" as a word didnt even exist until the late 14th-15th century, where it magically appeared in the English language to describe the Religion of the Talmud, though it wasnt until the Scolfield bible that it began to be fully conflated with the Nameless Religion of the Hebrews.
While many of the Pagans actually were worshipping devils masquerading as their ancestral heroes, some of them were approaching an understanding of God similar to the Ancient Hebrews thanks to philosophers like Plato and Plotinus developing a Monist understanding of God. This is probably why the jump to Christianity was so easy for many of them, the groundwork was already laid for them as you mentioned.
You represented gnosticism as if Christ taught it. He did not. He emphatically DID NOT teach that the material universe was evil. In fact, quite the opposite! "Thy kingdom come, thy will be done, on earth as it is in heaven." He healed he sick, raised the dead, showing that being healthy and alive were very much good things.
> some of them were approaching an understanding of God ...
I believe the history of what the Greeks and Romans actually believed has been lost to history. Perhaps intentionally. Or perhaps because the Christians adopted it as one and the same, because it was one and the same.
Call the gods "saints" and I believe you get something resembling early Christianity, complete with resurrection and redemption.
Of note, the "pagans" rejected witchcraft (IE drugs and necrophilia) and they rejected anything that would destabilize society. They knew very much about the evils of eros and such and knew to avoid carnal passions, outside of certain constraints.
Except that the original uncoverted Jews were the ones who incited the Empire to crack down on Christianity in the first place. Otherwise the Romans at worst simply didnt care about Christianity when they first encountered it, and many willingly embraced it. The jews would never create a religion devoted to exposing themselves, their plans are intricate and overcomplicated, and sometime retarded, but never *that* retarded. And (((they))) didnt even exist at the time, their sect was created well after the destruction of Judea and the original Judahites.
The Samaritans, who were descended from Joseph rather than Judah, told the Romans that they were cool with the Roman religion because it was congruent with their religion.
Jesus chose to reveal himself publicly to the woman at the well, a Samaritan whose husbands died and she remarried multiple times. In other words, he revealed himself to the least of the Josephites rather than the greatest of jews. She went and told her village of the news, and they accepted Jesus as the Messiah and Christ.
The reason why there was so much success at converting the Romans and Greeks from the very beginning was because their religion, and what we are told was their religion is simply not true, was congruent with the actual God in heaven. The jews, meanwhile, worshiped a corrupted form of religion with very strange teachings. Jesus famously told the pharisees "Didn't King David say 'Ye are gods!'" For this, they tried to put him to death.
Christianity is NOT based on judaism. Or rather, what the jews taught themselves in the first century has little to do with Christianity. Instead, the Romans and Greek philosophers were closer to the truth than they were.
The reason why so many people struggle with the Old Testament is because you are relying on the jews to interpret it for you. Throw their advice in the garbage, better yet, invert the advice. You'll see that the true nature of God isn't found in judaism or anything like it.
The only reason Jesus stuck around Judea was because he was prophesied to do so, and it was prophesied that they would reject him and bring upon themselves God's condemnation for perverting the word and murdering the servants and son of God.
I'd agree with you on this to some degree, because modern Kabalistic "judaism" is literally Antinomian Gnosticism, which was a satanic cult that originated around when Christ showed up and taught that the material universe itself was evil, and that God was evil for making it, and that there was a higher "god" above Him, and that the Law should be perverted and inverted wherever possible as an act of rebellion (which resulted in the Antinomian Gnostics being massive degenerates and self-absorbed sophists). Gnosticism as a whole basically died off (or at least seemed to) shortly after Christianity began to spread in earnest, but its abundantly clear some of the worse aforementioned Antinomian forms of it survived and were reborn as the mock-Judaism we know and hate today in Babylon, mixing in some of the legalistic practices of the Pharisees to create the Talmud. "Judaism" as a word didnt even exist until the late 14th-15th century, where it magically appeared in the English language to describe the Religion of the Talmud, though it wasnt until the Scolfield bible that it began to be fully conflated with the Nameless Religion of the Hebrews.
While many of the Pagans actually were worshipping devils masquerading as their ancestral heroes, some of them were approaching an understanding of God similar to the Ancient Hebrews thanks to philosophers like Plato and Plotinus developing a Monist understanding of God. This is probably why the jump to Christianity was so easy for many of them, the groundwork was already laid for them as you mentioned.
> some of them were approaching an understanding of God ...
I believe the history of what the Greeks and Romans actually believed has been lost to history. Perhaps intentionally. Or perhaps because the Christians adopted it as one and the same, because it was one and the same.
Call the gods "saints" and I believe you get something resembling early Christianity, complete with resurrection and redemption.
Of note, the "pagans" rejected witchcraft (IE drugs and necrophilia) and they rejected anything that would destabilize society. They knew very much about the evils of eros and such and knew to avoid carnal passions, outside of certain constraints.