1 year ago4 points(+0/-0/+4Score on mirror)1 child
I know. But those are the questions I asked Swamp Jew in the linked thread debate because he has argued against me before. Instead of defending himself in this debate, he is just trying to use this Jewish tactic of reframing and redefining everything lol.
1 year ago3 points(+0/-0/+3Score on mirror)1 child
Yeah... I cannot disagree with that... If you read the thread you can see how he is continually trying to be clever and "trick" me, without ever actually engaging with any of my questions or even trying to move the debate forward. He just goes around in circles trying to reframe, redefine, and use trickery over and over again, and I just call him out every time he lies or tries one of his tricks. It's probably an entertaining read for a third party lol
1 year ago3 points(+0/-0/+3Score on mirror)1 child
Good arguments. Thanks for taking the time to type all that out. It's good for us to hear.
I agree with others here, though, that having a good debate (civil, honest, logical, and prioritizing truth) with jews and jew defenders is impossible. However, I will add that it doesn't necessarily mean we shouldn't do it. Attempting to have a good debate with someone who is incapable of it helps in several ways. It reveals the bad character and false ideas of the person we're debating. It illuminates the truth and teaches the people who are observing. It gives resistance to evil. It allows us to hone our own arguments and thoughts through challenge. Weak men and weak ideas are never challenged. Strong men with strong ideas seek out to be challenged. And, if we're being honest, debate gives us the opportunity to see if our ideas, in part or whole, are false, so we can move forward in truth.
Ever heard of Dual Seedline Christian Identity? https://christogenea.org/
You seem to think that jews can become Christians, but no non-White can be a Christian. While jews are Esau's children, who was White, he was a race mixer and has no pure offspring. That's why Jacob rightfully took the birthright.
Why were there Edomites, who we now know as jews today, in Judea during Christ's time? Josephus book 13 tells us. Idumea is an Edomite land. https://penelope.uchicago.edu/josephus/ant-13.html#:~:text=it%20was%20built.-,35,-Hyrcanus%20took%20also
This is definitely not Catholic teaching... I STRONGLY dislike Jews, but there have been a very small selection of converts to Catholicism who were sincere: Off the top of my head, Nicholas Donin, Pablo Christiani, Johannes Pfefferkorn, and Bobby Fischer, who all named the Jew, called out the Talmud as evil, called out the evil subversions of the Jews, and in Bobby Fischer's case, denied the Holohoax. They are admittedly a rare breed, but conversion is possible.
You'll understand why if you learn about dual seedline, it takes away the internal conflicts and mysteries of Scripture that come with current denominations.
The first video is an example. The parable of the wheat and the tares a little below it is good too: https://media.christogenea.org/video-categories/christogenea-outtakes
Yeah, that's an awful take. He calls himself Eastern Orthodox but is simultaneously embarrassed about what the Church Fathers says about the Jews, every time I bring it up. He's clearly of two minds...
1 year ago5 points(+0/-0/+5Score on mirror)1 child
The more I argued with them, the better I came to know their dialectic. First they counted on the stupidity of their adversary, and then, when there was no other way out, they themselves simply played stupid. If all this didn't help, they pretended not to understand, or, if challenged, they changed the subject in a hurry, quoted platitudes which, if you accepted them, they immediately related to entirely different matters, and then, if again attacked, gave ground and pretended not to know exactly what you were talking about. Whenever you tried to attack one of these apostles, your hand closed on a jelly-like slime which divided up and poured through your fingers, but in the next moment collected again. But if you really struck one of these fellows so telling a blow that, observed by the audience, he couldn't help but agree, and if you believed that this had taken you at least one step forward, your amazement was great the next day. The Jew had not the slightest recollection of the day before, he rattled off his same old nonsense as though nothing at all had happened, and, if indignantly challenged, affected amazement; he couldn't remember a thing, except that he had proved the correctness of his assertions the previous day. Sometimes I stood there thunderstruck. I didn't know what to be more amazed at: the agility of their tongues or their virtuosity at lying.
My policy, and it's been a policy for a long time:
1. I don't debate people that aren't intellectually honest
2. That means I won't debate a jew ever
When I engage in an online debate, or a debate seems to be forming, some of my first questions are to determine whether the other person is going to debate in good faith. If I find something that suggests they are jewish or influenced heavily by jewish ideas, then I name the jew and watch them squirm.
There are only a few people I have ever met that have met the criteria where I am willing to debate. This forum is the only place where I know I can find those people today.
1. Are the Jews cursed, and enemies of God and the human race even up to the present? I say yes. Swamp Jew says no.
2. Is the Old Covenant still ongoing? I say no. Swamp Jew says yes.
3. Is OSAS true? I say no. Swamp Jew says yes.
4. Is the "Hebrew-roots Christian" movement actually Christian? I say no. Swamp Jew says yes.
5. Is the Talmud anti-Christian? I say yes. Swamp Jew says no.
They are not good people, they are slippery serpents who will use every trick in the book to "win" the argument
Hence "the more i debated them, the more i grew to hate them" quote
I agree with others here, though, that having a good debate (civil, honest, logical, and prioritizing truth) with jews and jew defenders is impossible. However, I will add that it doesn't necessarily mean we shouldn't do it. Attempting to have a good debate with someone who is incapable of it helps in several ways. It reveals the bad character and false ideas of the person we're debating. It illuminates the truth and teaches the people who are observing. It gives resistance to evil. It allows us to hone our own arguments and thoughts through challenge. Weak men and weak ideas are never challenged. Strong men with strong ideas seek out to be challenged. And, if we're being honest, debate gives us the opportunity to see if our ideas, in part or whole, are false, so we can move forward in truth.
You seem to think that jews can become Christians, but no non-White can be a Christian. While jews are Esau's children, who was White, he was a race mixer and has no pure offspring. That's why Jacob rightfully took the birthright.
Why were there Edomites, who we now know as jews today, in Judea during Christ's time? Josephus book 13 tells us. Idumea is an Edomite land. https://penelope.uchicago.edu/josephus/ant-13.html#:~:text=it%20was%20built.-,35,-Hyrcanus%20took%20also
The first video is an example. The parable of the wheat and the tares a little below it is good too: https://media.christogenea.org/video-categories/christogenea-outtakes
What way in particular do you think it conflicts with Scripture?
Pretty telling.