Hello everyone!
I figured this would be a good place to start this petition.
First, I know this site has anonymous users.
That being said, there are users who are known, notorious jews, like u/SwampRangers u/CuomoisaMassMurderer u/TrancePhreak and others.
I would like for us to try to gather as many allies on Communities.Win and Scored.co to come together with us, and sign (i.e. comment on) this petition (i.e. post) / upvote it and get it in front of the Admins.
I think it will be helpful for newcomers to know who is a notorious jew by seeing a yellow star next to their username (it should be a pretty easy element to add for a front end developer, and could be toggled on, once admins and/or moderators decide someone is indeed, a jew).
That way, just like Europe in the Middle Ages and in Nazi Germany, the newcomers can know who to stay away from and ignore based on the yellow star.
So please help me in getting people from all different communities to upvote this post and comment on this petition to encourage the site admins to get the ball rolling on this initiative!
Thanks! And God bless!
Galatians 3 makes it evident that the law of Moses isn't salvific, as that was not its purpose. Gentiles should not take it upon themselves to achieve salvation via any mechanism that does not achieve salvation, including pursuing the Mosaic law as if it was meant to do that. You can still not murder, because it is good not to do that. But that isn't what rectifies your relationship with God, forgives your iniquities, or takes away your sin. You're already in debt, not adding to the debt isn't going to rectify the initial debt.
It also makes it abundantly clear that no ratified covenant is added to or annulled. This is why the Abrahamic covenant is applicable to Gentiles, bc nothing that comes after edits or delete it. This is why the Abrahamic covenant is still applicable to Jews, bc nothing that comes after it edits or deletes it. This is why the Mosaic covenant is still applicable to Jews, bc nothing that comes after it edits or deletes it. God only adds new covenants that make it better for those adhere to the "by faith" stipulations of the first covenant. The Mosaic covenant stipulations are national governance of the people who God made stewards of His property. They were given bc of transgressions, to keep them in line. If they don't obey the laws of His land, the land spits them out. They repent, God forgives. The cycle begins again. This is an ongoing witness of God before all nations - you see an entire nation faithfully obey and be blessed or disobey and be punished.
Paul says every man who is circumcised is obligated to keep the entire minutiae of Mosaic law. (Gal 5:3). He implores Gentiles to not take that additional burden onto themselves, bc it is unnecessary for salvation, which the King graciously gives to those who remain faithfully allegiant to Him. Therefore, the Jews should keep the laws of Moses as a tutor to lead them to Christ, whereupon the laws are written upon their hearts, which is evidence of the new covenant. All who love God obey Him, and if you throw your lot in with Christ under the new covenant, nobody has to reprove you to "know the Lord", bc you will know Him (by abiding in Him) and know what he wants you to do in this life that bears fruit for Him in keeping with repentance. Indeed, this is evident when each partaker of the new covenant fulfills the law themselves (Gal 5:14).
Parable of the wicked servant. You MUST be profitable.
>It also makes it abundantly clear that no ratified covenant is added to or annulled.
When you *fulfill* the terms of a contract, what happens? Are either parties involved still bound by that contract?
>Paul says every man who is circumcised is obligated to keep the entire minutiae of Mosaic law.
And what does this entail, exactly? Am I, being circumcised by deception and against my will, bound to the Law of Moses?
Good question. Depends on the terms of the contract. One of those terms is duration. Everlasting seems pretty long. God is the one making the promises, and He is the one who sets the duration of His being bound to follow through on it. Noah and the rainbow: everlasting. To be God to Abraham and his descendants: everlasting. Land inheritance (through specific descent of Isaac and Jacob): everlasting. Sabbath: everlasting. Levitic priesthood, salt covenant, priestly portions of offerings: everlasting. Land rights: perpetual (kinsman redeemer comes into play here later) Davidic throne: everlasting. Lots of perpetual statutes and ordinances, but I think you take my point.
Mosaic covenant: Living in the land (being alive, in community with the nation, and dwelling on God's chosen property): conditional upon wholehearted obedience. There's a reason only Caleb and Joshua made it in. There's a reason why the blessing and curse cycle is ongoing. If Jesus ended the Mosaic covenant and thus the blessing and curse cycle, then they wouldn't have been kicked out 40 years after his death. If Jesus is in the business of redemption, and He isn't redeeming His own kin (at least at the very end, as promised), then the reliability and justice of Jesus as God or even His agent comes into question.
In a ratified contract, both parties eventually get what they want if they're faithful to uphold their ends. God is faithful, tho every man (excepting the God man) be found a liar. Imo, Jesus fulfilled His individual part of the contract God made with an entire nation into which He was born, and thus is the heir to the things the nation was promised, and is the principal heir, by virtue of also being King. He has chosen to share His property with the brothers who reconcile with Him and His father, as an eldest son distributes property rights to those sons who obey the will and testament of their father. He hasn't distributed eternal inheritances yet (you seen any eternal crowns or streets of gold lately?), and won't do so until He returns and everyone is having a bbq with Abraham, Isaac, and Jacob in the kingdom that comes from heaven. In the meantime, I don't think that this absolves anyone from their duty to obey their contracts if they want what it stipulates is to be granted to them by obedience - living lives of peace in their land. So as Paul says, we establish the law.
>And what does this entail, exactly? Am I, being circumcised by deception and against my will, bound to the Law of Moses?
Good question. There are two circumcisions. The first is an outward sign of the promise God made to Abraham and which was commanded to be continued through the Israelite nation in perpetuity. It is a sign of faith, but a physical sign is insignificant compared to what matters - keeping the commandments of God. This is the second circumcision that God desires, the one of the heart, whereby even those who are physically uncircumcised are considered as if they were circumcised, because they obey the God in whom they believe. Circumcisiom is negated by disobedience... So even tho all have fallen short, God has decided to be the justifier of the circumcised and uncircumcised both.
So my inclination is to say no, if you're not born a member of the Jewish nation. It's not a responsibility to which you were given at birth, to obey the specific laws your people swore to God to uphold. If you were born into the American nation, you have a responsibility to steward it on behalf of the Lord in his absence, because your ancestors swore to uphold laws of our own nation. This is different than voluntarily joining yourself to another nation, thinking that action alone will reconcile you to God (in contrast to the specific means whereby He gave for all to be reconciled to Him) and win you some place in another land. If you choose that, then you have chosen to obligate yourself as such to their rules for appropriate behavior. If God wanted you to be a Jew, you'd have a Jewish mom (see: Timothy). Otherwise, you're among the nations who will be joyful at the arrival of the King and sing his praises and testify to his wonders on behalf of you and your nation. The Jews must stay Jews and praise the work of God on behalf of the sons of Jacob. And the rest of us must stay what we are to represent our nations, tribes, and tongues accordingly on the last day.
You'll notice that the punishments and blessings for obeying your nations laws are a reflection of those that Israel has as well. If enough of us act like psychos, we're going to have plagues and famines and wars. Paul says in the first chapter to the Romans, God gives those who ignore Him and His natural laws over to the consequences of their wicked actions. The punishment for breaking law goes to the Jew first and also to the Gentile. Purification starts in the household of God first. So let the Jews keep their law and you keep yours. Perseverance in good bring glory, honor, and peace. Persistence in lawless wickedness brings tribulation and distress. God is impartial; the just will live by faith and he will render to each according to their deeds.
You know, the author of the Epistle of Barnabas argues that the jews had the *entire* mosaic covenant wrong literally from the beginning. Coincidentally, the Epistle of Barnabas has been heavily de-emphasized in modern times, as has many apocryphal writings of the early Church fathers unable to be as easily subverted by the jews. *Coincidentally*, I'm sure.
Use your head, man. *Look* at the jewish people around you today and tell me that they have *anything* to do with the God of the Universe and are not directly under the employ of Satan.
Gentiles were the same. Romans 1 puts a fine point on it. If you believe we all descended from Noah, the rules against idolatry were clear - and all the disgusting things people chose to do instead when they pursued worshipping creation and demons were justly punished. There's a reason God wanted Israel to be completely separated from the nations He turned over to the consequences of their wickedness, so Israel wouldn't be complicit as well. Yet they did. He sets up numerous warning "curses" as signs to draw them back to Himself. Generations forget, and fall back into their evil inclinations. And the cycle begins again. Like that strong man, good times, weak men, bad times... you forget your history and you're doomed to repeat it. That's why remembrance in Judaism is classically hounded to death. Remember that time God chose to take you away from the sickness of idolatry and fornication and being all around wastes of oxygen? Yeah, maybe be grateful and do what He says so he doesn't send you back there. Oh, remember that time your ancestors weren't grateful and were disobedient and did all the bad things you were told would end up bad for you? Remember where they went? And remember how God only brought some of their descendants back out of slavery, AGAIN? Maybe stop following in their footsteps and do what you were told would make life good for you. It repeats, with fewer returnees each time. Third times the charm, eh?
God "cuts off" unfruitful branches and throws them into the fire, not sparing Jew or Gentile. Jesus says repent; return to faithfulness. The kingdom is coming. The ax cut clean to the root. He cut quite to the heart of the matter with his own household first... repent, believe, and abide in Him (obedience) or get cut off. The arrogant atheists, the arrogant ethno supremes, the arrogant lawless ones - all cut off. No greasy grace gonna keep you attached to the Branch.
No, I literally mean God never told them to do all that in the first place and the kikes just made it up, and then wrote a good chunk of the torah in their own hand but ascribed it to the Word of God, in order to shore up their internally fabricated man-made creation among the masses. Which is why Jesus accuses them of "making dogmas out of human precepts". The so-called "oral torah" is another great example of this.
Besides, you literally stated that unfruitful branches are cut off and thrown into the fire...yet the original covenant is somehow still valid and applicable to the jews? Who exhibited the *ultimate* unfaithfulness by killing God's only begotten Son?
I missed this point: I think Jesus point was more along the lines of condemning adherents of sects who instructed their students to choose to do what makes them comfortable in this life instead of what God explicitly instructed. It would be like following some heretical sect of Christianity bc it's a get rich quick scheme instead of one that is concerned with teaching truth and practicing what Jesus did. If the law of Moses was irrelevant, it wouldn't matter if you did it or not. But Jesus told some that they they were careful to do small easier things that got them noticed but didn't do the important hard stuff, when they should have been doing both without pretense. He was hardest on those who claimed to know what is required, yet neither did it nor lifted a finger to help others do their part. You're judged on what you do with what you know.
I think that's incorrect because Jesus delivers this line in the context of rebuking the traditional jewish purity laws with regards to washing ("making stone vessels clean on the outside yet filthy on the inside"). And he does this on more than one occasion. And makes tangential arguments to this such as rebuking the jews' laws regarding the sabbath. His entire point is *explicitly* against that of the "jewish law".
I just dont see it. Why would anyone make up rules they didn't have to abide by otherwise? Seems crazy to me lol.... like why not eat bacon if you had the option? Who benefits?
Why would they write so many negative things about their own people? Seems like a negative commentary on the failures of their leaders more than anything... why admit such? Of course, I'm talking about the Tanakh (the OT), and not the Talmud. The Talmud admits some failures as a lesson, but they aren't as forthright about it as the Tanakh. The guys who wrote scripture were brutally honest about their kinsmen who effed up and were constantly like, if you do what this guy did, your whole generation will be cursed too. Jeroboam took a huge one in the nads for all eternity lol
As for branches being lopped off, I think it's the case of willful rebellion. The rules haven't changed. There's still never been a sacrifice for that. The Hebrew calls it high handedness. God overlooked times of *ignorance* in times past, but never purposeful, spit in your face, Ill do what the hell i want rebellion. If God calls you via Christ into relationship with himself, and you reject Him with the understanding of what you are rejecting, or you consistently commit mortal sins with *full knowledge* of what youre doing and with zero intention to repent over the course of your entire life, pretty sure there's no remedy left for that. You can't sacrifice Christ again. I would say the stakes are higher for apostate Christians than Jews who have been blinded by God for a time (perhaps by virtue of certain rabbis wilfully obscuring the Christ and His identifiers in scripture, and those unwilling to seek Truth wherever He leads)