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1 year ago11 points(+0/-0/+11Score on mirror)1 child
One big operation that is rarely mentioned is OPERATION THUNDERCLAP by the British.
>Part of the impetus of the British plan named “Operation Thunderclap” was to target the sorry lot of frantic refugees fleeing from the Red Army, millions of terrified people who had already suffered immensely. Thunderclap, in the words of a British bombing operations directorate in January 1945, promised to adhere to “the basic principle of true morale bombing,” which was “to provoke a state of terror by air attack.” Bomber Command was ordered to attack the anticipated destinations in order to, in their own words, “cause confusion in the evacuation from the east,” referring not to retreating troops, but to these civilian refugees (and only secondarily to “hamper the movements of troops from the west”). When ordering the bombing of Chemnitz following the destruction of Dresden, the Allied commander stated the motive to his pilots: “The reason you are going there tonight is to finish off the refugees who managed to escape Dresden.” Women, children and old folks were now to be shot at and incinerated under the approved guidelines which both the British and Americans had set in place and implemented to eliminate the future “refugee problem” for their Soviet allies.
Here is tally of this bombing program and many more.
1 year ago7 points(+0/-0/+7Score on mirror)1 child
It gets even fucking worse
I didn't even know of this, somehow. Thank you for adding to my repertoire of horrendous shit that the western allies did during and after the war.
Valuable information. Many here might not know about it. Consider making a post.
Moreover, considering that the US and Britain believed that the USSR would have a refugee problem, implying that they wouldn't solve this by just killing them, and that they did the job of killing them themselves, really goes to show you even further that the western allies were even more twisted motherfuckers than Stalin and Co.
This is worse than Dresden, don't know why it's not talked about more.
1 year ago3 points(+0/-0/+3Score on mirror)2 children
I'm a guy who could watch the Hellstrom movie but had to tap out on Europa the Last battle.
The Death rape campaign by Stalin was pretty brutal but at least he saw his brutality as punishment/pound of flesh, but the Allies really went far beyond that.
A large part of my family actually is eastern diaspora German, parts moved long before ww2 and my great grandfather moved afterwards, and as a member of the Waffen SS, he was part of the expulsions. The death rape campaigns were horrible, the expulsions were horrible, but stalin was motivated by two things alone: what you already said, and his obsession with ancient borders and people. It's why Estonian germans are gone, it's why Lwow is Lviv (it was part of Galicia in the 1200s before it was polish, that was good enough for Stalin), its why there are no more Ukrainians in Poland and why there's no more Poles in the Ukraine, it's why central Asian cossacks in the Ukraine are virtually extinct, and furthermore. But the long term extent of this was really whites being replaced by other whites, and slavs even benefited from it, so it didn't do much overall for the ongoing white genocide. Stalin was absolutely a racial ideologue and the popular conception that race was not of concern in the USSR is incredibly false. To that end, after the war, the soviets did not hold germans in open air death camps, and to their credit, the ussr actually *released* most German POWs from gulag imprisonment. The allies just starved them to death in a fenced off field. Death rape and expulsion was about the extent of what soviet occupied germans got, and it was mostly confined to the actual siege. The allied areas got fire bombings (actually this was all of Germany), death rape, and death camps.
In contrast, the allies quite literally actually just wanted to kill everyone. The death rape also happened in western Germany too, it's just not talked about as much, and it was just as extensive, and with absolutely no excuse whatsoever. My great uncle was an American soldier, forward artillery observer under Patton's command during the push into Germany, injured himself on purpose after surviving the war for quite long time to get flown back home because of the shit the allies were doing in the west. Thankfully, he wasn't *ordered* to do anything heinous, because he was under Patton's command, and Patton was an honorable man, but the propaganda that portrayed the German people as animals made many of the common American soldiers and officers actually treat them as animals. Under eisenhower's command, many of the people involved were *forced* to do these things, because Eisenhower wished to exterminate the German people and that was simply it. Regardless of if his soldiers wanted to or not.
1 year ago2 points(+0/-0/+2Score on mirror)1 child
That does line up with the research and midcentury wars videos I've been watching. The racial hatred part against the Germans was downplayed in much of it. One big motivation besides that was to remove Germany from ever becoming a world power that could compete with the United States, Britian or the Soviet Union. Britain was spent and tossed aside after the war, then everyone had to give up their colonial holdings, leaving just the US and the Soviets the sole powers of global scale.
Germany was kept in the end as an experiment to see what the best control mechanism was on a small scale. Capitalist Jewry or Bolshevik Jewry.
I 'guess' I'm lucky both of my grandfather's fought in the Pacific, but I imagine that was the result of them both being German speaking Americans for the most part.
1 year ago2 points(+0/-0/+2Score on mirror)1 child
My (American) great grandfather, his brother, was in the pacific in the navy during ww2 as well. Ironically that part of my family is also baltic german, just further back, and even after English admixture, still retain facial features from that region, myself included. I know a lot about what happened because it's what drove my own people to near extinction besides our diaspora.
Considering such, I'm less angry at the soviets for the rage of the soldiers of their armies and stalin's border autism than I am at the allies for allowing it to happen, encouraging it, actively helping it by blitzing cities, and doing the exact same thing, with an even higher death count, in western Germany. And then being portrayed as the more moral party. Despite Zhukov himself being a character of far greater morals and opinions towards occupied germans than Eisenhower, Arthur Harris, FDR, Churchill, the entire lot of snakes. Just an ideologue of the wrong ideology.
The only good general staff officer involved on the part of the western allies was Patton, for reasons probably already known.
>Part of the impetus of the British plan named “Operation Thunderclap” was to target the sorry lot of frantic refugees fleeing from the Red Army, millions of terrified people who had already suffered immensely. Thunderclap, in the words of a British bombing operations directorate in January 1945, promised to adhere to “the basic principle of true morale bombing,” which was “to provoke a state of terror by air attack.” Bomber Command was ordered to attack the anticipated destinations in order to, in their own words, “cause confusion in the evacuation from the east,” referring not to retreating troops, but to these civilian refugees (and only secondarily to “hamper the movements of troops from the west”). When ordering the bombing of Chemnitz following the destruction of Dresden, the Allied commander stated the motive to his pilots: “The reason you are going there tonight is to finish off the refugees who managed to escape Dresden.” Women, children and old folks were now to be shot at and incinerated under the approved guidelines which both the British and Americans had set in place and implemented to eliminate the future “refugee problem” for their Soviet allies.
Here is tally of this bombing program and many more.
https://www.revisionist.net/bombing-germany.html
I didn't even know of this, somehow. Thank you for adding to my repertoire of horrendous shit that the western allies did during and after the war.
Valuable information. Many here might not know about it. Consider making a post.
Moreover, considering that the US and Britain believed that the USSR would have a refugee problem, implying that they wouldn't solve this by just killing them, and that they did the job of killing them themselves, really goes to show you even further that the western allies were even more twisted motherfuckers than Stalin and Co.
This is worse than Dresden, don't know why it's not talked about more.
The Death rape campaign by Stalin was pretty brutal but at least he saw his brutality as punishment/pound of flesh, but the Allies really went far beyond that.
A large part of my family actually is eastern diaspora German, parts moved long before ww2 and my great grandfather moved afterwards, and as a member of the Waffen SS, he was part of the expulsions. The death rape campaigns were horrible, the expulsions were horrible, but stalin was motivated by two things alone: what you already said, and his obsession with ancient borders and people. It's why Estonian germans are gone, it's why Lwow is Lviv (it was part of Galicia in the 1200s before it was polish, that was good enough for Stalin), its why there are no more Ukrainians in Poland and why there's no more Poles in the Ukraine, it's why central Asian cossacks in the Ukraine are virtually extinct, and furthermore. But the long term extent of this was really whites being replaced by other whites, and slavs even benefited from it, so it didn't do much overall for the ongoing white genocide. Stalin was absolutely a racial ideologue and the popular conception that race was not of concern in the USSR is incredibly false. To that end, after the war, the soviets did not hold germans in open air death camps, and to their credit, the ussr actually *released* most German POWs from gulag imprisonment. The allies just starved them to death in a fenced off field. Death rape and expulsion was about the extent of what soviet occupied germans got, and it was mostly confined to the actual siege. The allied areas got fire bombings (actually this was all of Germany), death rape, and death camps.
In contrast, the allies quite literally actually just wanted to kill everyone. The death rape also happened in western Germany too, it's just not talked about as much, and it was just as extensive, and with absolutely no excuse whatsoever. My great uncle was an American soldier, forward artillery observer under Patton's command during the push into Germany, injured himself on purpose after surviving the war for quite long time to get flown back home because of the shit the allies were doing in the west. Thankfully, he wasn't *ordered* to do anything heinous, because he was under Patton's command, and Patton was an honorable man, but the propaganda that portrayed the German people as animals made many of the common American soldiers and officers actually treat them as animals. Under eisenhower's command, many of the people involved were *forced* to do these things, because Eisenhower wished to exterminate the German people and that was simply it. Regardless of if his soldiers wanted to or not.
Germany was kept in the end as an experiment to see what the best control mechanism was on a small scale. Capitalist Jewry or Bolshevik Jewry.
I 'guess' I'm lucky both of my grandfather's fought in the Pacific, but I imagine that was the result of them both being German speaking Americans for the most part.
Considering such, I'm less angry at the soviets for the rage of the soldiers of their armies and stalin's border autism than I am at the allies for allowing it to happen, encouraging it, actively helping it by blitzing cities, and doing the exact same thing, with an even higher death count, in western Germany. And then being portrayed as the more moral party. Despite Zhukov himself being a character of far greater morals and opinions towards occupied germans than Eisenhower, Arthur Harris, FDR, Churchill, the entire lot of snakes. Just an ideologue of the wrong ideology.
The only good general staff officer involved on the part of the western allies was Patton, for reasons probably already known.