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I can't tell what natsoc is through the propaganda, plus a lot of self-identified natsocs online seem like classical liberals with a nationalist bent to them
 
I generally like freedom over authoritarianism and capitalism over socialism, so those would be my complaints
 
I like conservative / nationlist things and voluntarily taking care of people instead of socialism though
 
so what do you define natsoc as and if you're natsoc why do you like it and if not natsoc what do you like instead
 
\> me: anarcho-monarchism (anything from anarchy to monarchy) + conservative / nationalist principles
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1 year ago 2 points (+2 / -0 ) 1 child
Lol sorry guys u/Since1897 u/JohnCandle
 
>I can't tell what natsoc is through the propaganda, plus a lot of self-identified natsocs online seem like classical liberals with a nationalist bent to them
 
Let me let you in on a little "esoteric" knowledge: The most Aryan ideology and structure of society, that which struggles against the pulls of the world the most, and which is most Christian at it's core, and idyllic to the point of nigh-impossibility, will always be the American form of government in it's unadulterated, uncorrupt, un-negroefied and unjudaized state. A nation for our Volk, a country for our Own, solely for "free ***White*** [Aryan, European] people ***of good character***", free from the whims and woes of any one fallen man, a king, souls submitted only to Christ, with freedom and destiny only limited by the consensus of 12-16 other free White persons of good character, only during times of questioning and investigation of one's alleged transgressions against another. Prosperity only limited by the self, God, and our freedom of supplying and demanding.
 
A post-scarcity world, not because of automation, central planning or anything of the sort, but by hard and intelligent work, pioneering and perseverance, rightfully earning more than just a "living", where one can raise his family with his love in peace, in a sound community where all have value, where all can practice and hone righteous action and gain purpose.
 
None of this is possible without a socially loving and benevolent White folk, with closely followed Christian morality and statutes, the lack of an invading negroe horde and complete and permanent removal of all jewish "people" off the face of the earth.
 
We now have none of these things. The last one to go, of course, is our Christian morality, which is all but gone.
 
If you observe historical fact you will find that the Reich went from none of this, to all of this, under National Socialism. National Socialism is by definition a crusade of righteous men with mercy for the satanic and judaic forgone. No man can stand in the way of National Socialism because it is nothing more or less than the physical manifestation of Christ's own story within the Aryan-only state. The moment we collectively forget truth and eternal struggle against sin and deception is the moment we lose National Socialism.
 
National Socialism's strength comes not from any loyalty to economic or government structure, but to the endless pursuit of not just excellence but righteousness by our Own. Only We, National Socialist Aryans have seen truly into the abyss, where it stares back and lies in wait for our slipups. We know the dangers which the enemy lays on our souls, tested and proven in corruption of the heart. We are stewards in resisting such sin and death, therefore only as conquerable as the weakness of our faith.
 
National Socialism is the collective disowning of this judaized society by any means necessary. A return to Christ and His teachings and what he wants and desires for us and our society at large. A revisit to National Socialism by the American and Aryan people in general is necessary. It is not an option, rather a complete necessity, and the only path forward. Only once we unite under National Socialism, AND all Jews and judaizers are exterminated, can our folk progress again towards the idyllic free ethnostate which the American system of government pioneered.
 
There is no Aryan ethos above absolute and total Freedom. The freedom to work and trade on a man's own terms, the freedom to find and marry your love and start a family as large or small as you want. The greatest freedom is freedom in Christ Jesus from sin and death, freedom in eternal life with God.
 
This is what National Socialism truly always is, was, and will be; a complete and total Hail Mary by men, women and children who choose light over darkness, life over death, God and His Risen Son over satan. The self-collectivization of the self, not for the other, but for the brother. An automatically understood and unbreakable blood-pact by all Aryans for the purpose of God and the destruction of satan, in a complete and total war against the devil, his demons and his followers, in the fight to end all fights, in the war to end all wars, to have the honor of declaring in heaven among your ancestors and descendants that you, your brothers and your sisters, fought alongside their chosen leaders, forged with their own scrutiny, that they fought tooth and nail against the false throne of satan, saving nothing from sacrifice upon the altar for the Lord in their final fight, and that even in the last moments of the world when they knew that Jesus Christ's Return was imminent, they did not fear or fret, that even in all of their last moments they declared with one voice, together and united, that they will fight to the bittersweet end, to give satan and his unholy hordes the Hell of a fight they were asking for.
 
Total Dedication is National Socialism. The realization that not only do the Ends justify the Means, but that those Means be utilized to the fullest possible extent, whatever they are and however far that is.
 
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1 year ago 0 points (+0 / -0 ) 1 child
so it sounds like to you natsoc is basically Christian nationalism. But like that's something different. You could have capitalism and Christian nationalism.
 
Which brings up again my skepticism and makes me question what natsocs are about. I think some self-identify as natsoc because it just triggers leftists which is admittedly hilarious. I saw a SJW the other day post unironically they want to ban porn because it is "degrading to women" which sounded exactly like "Nazis" who want to do the same thing. They seemed oblivious that they were in agreement with "Nazis" (well some, anyway).
 
I guess part of the point of my post was to identify specific things that natsocs like or are about. Frequently I see online a vague understanding of economics by natsocs, which makes me think in reality they could probably be natcaps (nationalist capitalists) with just a little economics reading or reasoning. "Socialism" is not really necessary to their views, it's just they identify with natsoc because they think it represents other views they might have (like Christian nationalism).
 
And again so if a natsoc simply wants to be free to be a Christian away from like muslim or Jewish or other religious influences, this isn't really intrinsic to authoritarian natsoc but could be compatible with libertarian nationalist capitalism. You can just have property owners ban a lot of degeneracy and not "consoom" it yourself.
 
Also it seems strange to me that so many haven't tried to distance natsoc from any kind of implication of a desire for violence. Probably because such natsocs are angry, and they like people thinking of them as edgy. But I imagine a lot of natsocs don't want to hurt anyone, they just want to be left alone to be who they are.
 
So actually the "violent authoritarian natsoc" seems like they might be in reality a nonviolent libertarian-ish nationalist capitalist.
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1 year ago 0 points (+0 / -0 ) 1 child
>"A Socialist is one who serves the common good without giving up his individuality or personality or the product of his personal efficiency. Our adopted term 'Socialist' has nothing to do with Marxian Socialism. Marxism is anti-property; true socialism is not. Marxism places no value on the individual, or individual effort, or efficiency; true Socialism values the individual and encourages him in individual efficiency, at the same time holding that his interests as an individual must be in consonance with those of the community. All great inventions, discoveries, achievements were first the product of an individual brain. It is charged against me that I am against property, that I am an atheist. Both charges are false."
 
- Adolf Hitler, December 28, 1938
 
I think you will have much trouble finding a natsoc which does not agree with this.
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1 year ago 0 points (+0 / -0 ) 1 child
so how is socialism different from capitalism as hitler defines it? could you just be a "conscious capitalist" and it's the same thing?
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1 year ago 0 points (+0 / -0 ) Edited 2022-09-05 19:03:27
Depends on what kind of "capitalism" you are talking about. No nation on earth is currently capitalist. All nations are currently "creditist", so to speak. Jews offer loans and interest based off of your "credit" - a euphemism for the tally of how much of a good slave goy you are - when was the last time someone spent their saved *capital* (currency, money etc) on something? The answer is you can't tell me, unless you're already opposed to the system. In this manner, effectively no one in all of society has ever *earned anything, ever*, besides maybe their first paycheck. Everyone has everything afforded to them in advance. Thus all morals decay, the people become entitled, and the entire concept of *saving*, and *sacrificing* loses all context, all definition, all relevance and all value.
  
In true capitalism, people *save* real gold and *sacrifice* time, energy and youth, in order to *spend* later.
  
The last Capitalist nation, was in fact, the National Socialist Deutsches Reich.
  
Above is the strictly economic side of National Socialism, the effects of which only take place according to the will and righteousness of it's Aryans.
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