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Can You Explain What You Think NatSoc Is To You?
posted 2 years ago by sparrow (+8 / -0 )
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May have had a post like this some time before
 
I can't tell what natsoc is through the propaganda, plus a lot of self-identified natsocs online seem like classical liberals with a nationalist bent to them
 
I generally like freedom over authoritarianism and capitalism over socialism, so those would be my complaints
 
I like conservative / nationlist things and voluntarily taking care of people instead of socialism though
 
so what do you define natsoc as and if you're natsoc why do you like it and if not natsoc what do you like instead
 
\> me: anarcho-monarchism (anything from anarchy to monarchy) + conservative / nationalist principles
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sparrow
2 years ago 0 points (+0 / -0 ) 1 child
so it sounds like to you natsoc is basically Christian nationalism. But like that's something different. You could have capitalism and Christian nationalism.
 
Which brings up again my skepticism and makes me question what natsocs are about. I think some self-identify as natsoc because it just triggers leftists which is admittedly hilarious. I saw a SJW the other day post unironically they want to ban porn because it is "degrading to women" which sounded exactly like "Nazis" who want to do the same thing. They seemed oblivious that they were in agreement with "Nazis" (well some, anyway).
 
I guess part of the point of my post was to identify specific things that natsocs like or are about. Frequently I see online a vague understanding of economics by natsocs, which makes me think in reality they could probably be natcaps (nationalist capitalists) with just a little economics reading or reasoning. "Socialism" is not really necessary to their views, it's just they identify with natsoc because they think it represents other views they might have (like Christian nationalism).
 
And again so if a natsoc simply wants to be free to be a Christian away from like muslim or Jewish or other religious influences, this isn't really intrinsic to authoritarian natsoc but could be compatible with libertarian nationalist capitalism. You can just have property owners ban a lot of degeneracy and not "consoom" it yourself.
 
Also it seems strange to me that so many haven't tried to distance natsoc from any kind of implication of a desire for violence. Probably because such natsocs are angry, and they like people thinking of them as edgy. But I imagine a lot of natsocs don't want to hurt anyone, they just want to be left alone to be who they are.
 
So actually the "violent authoritarian natsoc" seems like they might be in reality a nonviolent libertarian-ish nationalist capitalist.
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Captain_Raamsley
2 years ago 0 points (+0 / -0 ) 1 child
>"A Socialist is one who serves the common good without giving up his individuality or personality or the product of his personal efficiency. Our adopted term 'Socialist' has nothing to do with Marxian Socialism. Marxism is anti-property; true socialism is not. Marxism places no value on the individual, or individual effort, or efficiency; true Socialism values the individual and encourages him in individual efficiency, at the same time holding that his interests as an individual must be in consonance with those of the community. All great inventions, discoveries, achievements were first the product of an individual brain. It is charged against me that I am against property, that I am an atheist. Both charges are false."
 
- Adolf Hitler, December 28, 1938
 
I think you will have much trouble finding a natsoc which does not agree with this.
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sparrow
2 years ago 0 points (+0 / -0 ) 1 child
so how is socialism different from capitalism as hitler defines it? could you just be a "conscious capitalist" and it's the same thing?
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Captain_Raamsley
2 years ago 0 points (+0 / -0 ) Edited 2022-09-05 19:03:27
Depends on what kind of "capitalism" you are talking about. No nation on earth is currently capitalist. All nations are currently "creditist", so to speak. Jews offer loans and interest based off of your "credit" - a euphemism for the tally of how much of a good slave goy you are - when was the last time someone spent their saved *capital* (currency, money etc) on something? The answer is you can't tell me, unless you're already opposed to the system. In this manner, effectively no one in all of society has ever *earned anything, ever*, besides maybe their first paycheck. Everyone has everything afforded to them in advance. Thus all morals decay, the people become entitled, and the entire concept of *saving*, and *sacrificing* loses all context, all definition, all relevance and all value.
  
In true capitalism, people *save* real gold and *sacrifice* time, energy and youth, in order to *spend* later.
  
The last Capitalist nation, was in fact, the National Socialist Deutsches Reich.
  
Above is the strictly economic side of National Socialism, the effects of which only take place according to the will and righteousness of it's Aryans.
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