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This came up in a conversation with a protestant dispensationalist of sorts.

They were correct to point out, that it is a commonly held Catholic prophecy that the "Jews" will be converted in the End Times:

> The Church Fathers and Saints have consistently upheld this view. An impressive list of authorities includes Tertullian, Origen, St. Hilary, St. Ambrose, St. John Chrysostom, St. Jerome, St. Cyril of Alexandria, St. Gregory the Great, and St. Thomas Aquinas. St. Cyril of Alexandria stated that "towards the end of time, Our Lord Jesus Christ will effect the reconciliation of His former persecutor Israel with Himself."

Hence it was argued that strains of "Nazism" that seek total eradication of the Jews will not be successful.

(I don't know if this was ever "really" a goal of "Nazis": while there is frustration with certain "wayward Jews", or a desire for capital punishment to be applied to certain criminal Jews, frequently I thought the goal for "Natsocs" would be suppression of Jews and or explusion mostly.)

That's all fine and well, although I don't know how this translates to a support of Israel or the current false religion of Judaism that fails to recognize Christ as the Messiah.

Pope St. Pius X stated of Zionism in 1904: "We cannot give approval to this movement. We cannot prevent the Jews from going to Jerusalem — but we could never sanction it."

The traditional Good Friday prayer calls the Jews "pefidious", from the Latin perfidus ("faithless").

Hence Catholics have traditionally opposed Zionism and the false "Judaism" that "Jews" today practice.

(The Vatican 2 revolution has been in our view a non-Catholic breakaway from Catholicism which has opposed these traditional teachings)

So, from a traditional Catholic standpoint, it should seem clear where Catholics stand on these issues (and which is documented in greater depth probably by posters like "CrusaderPepe").

Since presumably also protestants must have often shared these views in the past, I guess my question is: where do protestants come in with their confusion on these issues?

(With "Catholics" today, they probably get false views from subverted leadership, their own personal misunderstanding, or sinful inclinations leading to delusion, presumably?)

I did not grow up with any special leanings on these topics, but they seemed to follow pretty logically from clusters of thoughts like that if Christianity (or Catholicism specifically) claims to be exclusively the "one true religion", then Judaism is a false religion. If people liked "Christendom" or States being Catholic, then we would not be seeking for Zionism or to make States Jewish, but for Israel to be instead a "Christian (Catholic) nation".

So, I was just curious if you have thoughts on this topic, have common dispensationalist false arguments to bring up to debunk, or if you have any comments on what helped you to understand things more clearly on these topics.