Perhaps the story, as told as a whole, and many of the concomitant othodox narratives are total bullshit.
But perhaps they really did liquidate 5+ million jews in total. I say 5+ million because even the most orthodox scholars put the figure at that; not actually a pure 6 million.
The scholar John Otto Pohl says he believes 5+ million did die, and that they deserved it. That's why despite being a PhD who is fluent in many languages, he's working as a janitor at a grocery store and can't find a job in academia throughout the entire world.
> But perhaps they really did liquidate 5+ million jews in total.
It's pretty certain they didn't. 273000 via camps, unintended casualties to things like supply line disruptions and typhus, confirmed by the Swiss Red Cross.
> and that they deserved it.
In fact, my brother argued that Hitler protected the kikes from harm by putting them into camps. Comparing 1936 and 1948, the amount of Christians decreased by 15%, while that of jews remained +-0%. Meaning jews were rather protected.
So what did (and do) jews *deserve*? Total extermination. Every last one, including women, elderly and children. No exceptions.
> can't find a job
Just imagine how insanely vicious they are that lowering the number just a bit is already too much. Either you accept the idiotic narrative 100% or you are a Nazi.
If I were in charge, I'd organize complete TKD, and then, in 10 years, we can witness all the tales that emerge from it, the great atrocity and genocide... NOBODY would talk about negatively. Somehow, without kikes, the atrocity propaganda would also stop.
Ooh you added an extra 2k to the oft quoted "271k at best."
Personally I defer to the likes of Germar Rudolph and Carlo Mattagno, the former of which believes the number is closer to ~2 million all said and done. All casualty figures are ultimately estimates, and in the context of total war, the pre-internet age, and relatively poor census data, if there is any at all, they vary wildly. The estimates of the numbers killed under the bolsheviks and Stalin, depending on who's talking ranges from 20 to 60 million for instance.
We have Himmlers orders. We have the weekly reports from the Ost front of the numbers of those liquidated by the einsatzgruppen, inflated as they likely were. We have post war secret recordings of German pows in prison admitting atrocities. We have diaries of German soldiers who were tasked with and carried out endless executions.
To pretend like there wasn't an element within the Nazis that literally wanted to liquidate as many Jews as they could is totally disingenuous. On the ost front it literally boiled down to the most base of friend enemy distinctions: you're either with us, or you die.
The eastern front was a complete and total bloodbath of then, and heretofore unseen proportions.
They slaughtered 20 million slavs. The idea that they couldn't have liquidated a few million jews is really quite silly when you stop and think about it in the broader context.
Also no one really ever talks about it, but how many Jews died from the Soviets and their scorched earth policies? Read Solzhenitsyns 200 years together and you'll see that the dirty gross jews also were treated like shit by the elite Jews.
> the former of which believes the number is closer to ~2 million all said and done
Whatever it is, still less deaths than WWII brought plus Soviet and Eisenhower's mass murderings. And mind you, it was *before* the holocaust was even a thing (which happened around 1960-1970). So they hated Germans for other reasons.
> of the numbers of those liquidated by the einsatzgruppen
How many? Because the tale is that they went after oh-so victimized hiding jews, but they were actually there to find terrorists (partisans) who killed Germans and "collaborators", all or most of whom happen to be jews.
> We have post war secret recordings of German pows in prison admitting atrocities.
Never read that. Is there something to read about it? Because committing atrocities is quite common. For example the Soviets raped and murdered Germans en masse as they flood into Germany, but I am sure they didn't worry about committing atrocities at all.
> We have diaries of German soldiers who were tasked with and carried out endless executions.
Ah yes, the Soviets refused to sign the Geneva convention and liked to put Germans into lethal gulags (aka the most deadly ones). And the Soviets didn't give the slightest fuck about their own people either, why would they care about Germans then. How many of their own people did they put into gulags too? A LOT. Solzhenitsyn too.
> To pretend like there wasn't an element within the Nazis that literally wanted to liquidate as many Jews as they could is totally disingenuous.
No. It was never the plan. Sure they disliked jews (WHO DIDN'T?), but there was no extermination program. Actually they arrested and executed a camp commander for murdering some jews and stealing from them.
> They slaughtered 20 million slavs.
They killed soldiers, not civilians. The Russians equipped 1 in 10 of their soldiers with a gun - they committed atrocities against their own soldiers to begin with. They even sent out gulag prisoners into the war to "redeem" themselves from the made up charges. They were absolutely comfortable with the goyim meatgrinder.
> The idea that they couldn't have liquidated a few million jews is really quite silly
Why didn't Germans mass rape their way through everything either? Oh wait, they were the only ones who forbade it and executed their soldiers who did it. That is a logical fallacy. The Germans didn't just went blasting everything that moves. Or do you think they high-fived each other as they shot women and children?
> when you stop and think about it in the broader context.
I did, and it's utterly idiotic to think that.
> but how many Jews died from the Soviets and their scorched earth policies?
The Soviets also turned on the jews, but be assured, it was jews who were in leadership positions. ~85% of the secret police that arrested people to be shipped to gulags, adhered to arrest quotas, were also jews. They HATED Christians with a burning passion, just as jews in israel do today.