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11 hours ago7 points(+0/-0/+7Score on mirror)2 children
>The white women take birth control and distrust men, while the white men "go their own way" in response
I don't even really think it's that. Of course, that forms a small part of it, but really white people have been having fewer children since forever. The nuclear family was tiny compared to the standard that existed before it. The nuclear family is also incapable of keeping up with population trends all the same.
Having fewer children is fairly normal. Once a society gets to a certain point, you don't *need* anywhere near as many. First off: you probably don't work in agriculture and so you don't need other farmlands. Second off: child mortality is significantly lower than it used to be so as to be considered almost nonexistent. This happened to whites first, then to east asians, and now the fertility decline is happening in the middle east. These are across many different cultures, of course Arabs aren't exactly known for their proclivity for birth control but here they stand at the same summit.
The truth is that we see fertility decline across the board almost regardless of internal politics. The soviet union had programs similar to natsoc Germany for mothers, it had illegal birth control and abortion and supported the nuclear family structure, and it was a pretty decent country to live in, all things considered, after ww2. Its fertility rate fell off a cliff in the 60s and 70s anyways just like everywhere else. Specifically because it was a decent place to live, not in spite of it. Even apart from that, hitlers Germany didn't exactly have people with giant families either. Certainly the german fertility rate during his rule was markedly better than during Weimar, but still far less than the days of the german empire. And if he had won, they'd probably drop even more even earlier than they did otl because he built a veritable paradise for germans.
The problem: when a naturally declining fertility rate among whites meets the enormous growth of an outsider group. And, coupled with what you already said, this presents quite the conundrum. Though as I stated prior, the nuclear family wouldn't do anything to quell this either, and for most people having the same number of children as the outsider groups is simply not within their means. After all, white people don't get welfare for simply existing like they do.
A caveat: the fertility drop will also eventually affect the outsider group. Hispanic fertility rates in the US have almost halved in the past decade or so. The issue to demographics is a steady stream of first-generation immigrants that still believe in having 50 children as a default. That's likely why the immigration "meta" of sorts has shifted to India and Africa over Hispanics and Arabs. Apart from that, indians and niggers are simply more retarded and easier to herd than Hispanics and Arabs. Secondly, the fertility rate in Latin America itself is going to shit, as it is in the middle east, so these immigrants aren't having enough kids for replacement anymore. Let's take Mexico because it's the most common country of origin for immigration in the US: the fertility rate is barely higher than the US. If you import one million Hispanics, they aren't going to have any more children than the white average, thus they can't really replace anything. The days of Jose and Juanita with 15 children packed into a mini van living in a trailer park are gone, it isn't the 2000s anymore. Now it's OogaBoogaDooga from Somalia and his 3 wives named *Clicking sounds*, UngaBungaChaka and Uvweveweveve with 20 children per wife that are all propped up by h1b visas and massive welfare because they're brilliant astrophysicists and engineers that just need a little help. Right now their numbers are small, they don't remotely compare to Hispanics, but wait for the future
So here's the solution: get rid of all of them
Furthermore, I consider that Israel must be destroyed
8 hours ago4 points(+0/-0/+4Score on mirror)1 child
>really white people have been having fewer children since forever.
Since the Boomers, specifically.
By my age, my grandparents had 5 and 6 kids, respectively, my parents had two.
They had eight and thirteen grandkids respectively, my parents have two.
>Once a society gets to a certain point, you don't need anywhere near as many.
But you do need *some*. Populations naturally adjust to meet the level of resources/need present. In our case, (((somebody))) pushed a ton of "overpopulation" propaganda while we were in the middle of our natural adjustment, causing a full blown collapse, allowing them to make the ludicris claim that we "need immigrants".
While the boomers were a notable trend downward, population graphs going back as far as to the 1800s show a marked decline starting by the early 1900s (from several times replacement rates to just a bit over it, especially in Europe). It wasnt the boomers that started it, they just intensified the trend. This really *started* with the lost generation, or even the unnamed generation before it.
>. In our case, (((somebody))) pushed a ton of "overpopulation" propaganda while we were in the middle of our natural adjustment, causing a full blown collapse, allowing them to make the ludicris claim that we "need immigrants".
Honestly they probably didn't even need to push the overpopulation myth. They could have claimed that we needed immigrants anyways, we were already well below replacement by the time that they started coming. Plus, the countries in *europe* worst affected by the fertility crisis are actually the ones with the people who care about that propaganda the least. Spain, Italy, and Greece have absolutely abysmal birth rates and nobody is refusing to have children because of overpopulation, or even because of birth control/social liberalism, but rather because of economic issues, which are very real in this area (coupled with the fact that they would have fallen anyways). But on the ground if you ask someone here why they don't have kids, almost nobody will give you the answer of overpopulation. They will just say that they can't afford it, which is usually unfortunately true.
I feel like the overpopulation propaganda wasn't really followed much except by a small group of the most liberal people in a given nation. I think that the impetus for this, actually, was a greater focus on the control of energy and pushing "green" policies, because every time overpopulation was mentioned, it would be tied in with something about human impact on the environment or what have you. The white population and fertility rates were never an issue for what they wanted to do, they could've done it anyways. The fact that they're advocating for immigrants, I believe, is an aside, but it serves to point out blatant hypocrisy. They would have advocated for immigrants regardless. Even if they never pursued the overpopulation narrative at all.
Furthermore, I consider that Israel must be destroyed
I mean if you think about it, it makes sense. Big families were necessary to keep up the homestead/farm when people lived on bigger pieces of land, and actually worked, and survived off of said land. Another example is to look at how easy the woman, and everyone in general, has it in regards to cooking, cleaning, and general upkeep of the home. Compared to the 1800s, and early 1900s. Imagine a young woman today being expected to go outside, slaughter, prep, and cook a chicken for dinner. 🤣
We also have to remember that there was no “safety net”, and generations of family lived together, took care of each other, and helped each other out as the older folks aged out of the more physical tasks which was actually an extreme luxury. I’ve heard of a couple of stories from frens, and family of people from their tree keeling over while working outside at advanced ages because the work needed to be done.
I don't even really think it's that. Of course, that forms a small part of it, but really white people have been having fewer children since forever. The nuclear family was tiny compared to the standard that existed before it. The nuclear family is also incapable of keeping up with population trends all the same.
Having fewer children is fairly normal. Once a society gets to a certain point, you don't *need* anywhere near as many. First off: you probably don't work in agriculture and so you don't need other farmlands. Second off: child mortality is significantly lower than it used to be so as to be considered almost nonexistent. This happened to whites first, then to east asians, and now the fertility decline is happening in the middle east. These are across many different cultures, of course Arabs aren't exactly known for their proclivity for birth control but here they stand at the same summit.
The truth is that we see fertility decline across the board almost regardless of internal politics. The soviet union had programs similar to natsoc Germany for mothers, it had illegal birth control and abortion and supported the nuclear family structure, and it was a pretty decent country to live in, all things considered, after ww2. Its fertility rate fell off a cliff in the 60s and 70s anyways just like everywhere else. Specifically because it was a decent place to live, not in spite of it. Even apart from that, hitlers Germany didn't exactly have people with giant families either. Certainly the german fertility rate during his rule was markedly better than during Weimar, but still far less than the days of the german empire. And if he had won, they'd probably drop even more even earlier than they did otl because he built a veritable paradise for germans.
The problem: when a naturally declining fertility rate among whites meets the enormous growth of an outsider group. And, coupled with what you already said, this presents quite the conundrum. Though as I stated prior, the nuclear family wouldn't do anything to quell this either, and for most people having the same number of children as the outsider groups is simply not within their means. After all, white people don't get welfare for simply existing like they do.
A caveat: the fertility drop will also eventually affect the outsider group. Hispanic fertility rates in the US have almost halved in the past decade or so. The issue to demographics is a steady stream of first-generation immigrants that still believe in having 50 children as a default. That's likely why the immigration "meta" of sorts has shifted to India and Africa over Hispanics and Arabs. Apart from that, indians and niggers are simply more retarded and easier to herd than Hispanics and Arabs. Secondly, the fertility rate in Latin America itself is going to shit, as it is in the middle east, so these immigrants aren't having enough kids for replacement anymore. Let's take Mexico because it's the most common country of origin for immigration in the US: the fertility rate is barely higher than the US. If you import one million Hispanics, they aren't going to have any more children than the white average, thus they can't really replace anything. The days of Jose and Juanita with 15 children packed into a mini van living in a trailer park are gone, it isn't the 2000s anymore. Now it's OogaBoogaDooga from Somalia and his 3 wives named *Clicking sounds*, UngaBungaChaka and Uvweveweveve with 20 children per wife that are all propped up by h1b visas and massive welfare because they're brilliant astrophysicists and engineers that just need a little help. Right now their numbers are small, they don't remotely compare to Hispanics, but wait for the future
So here's the solution: get rid of all of them
Furthermore, I consider that Israel must be destroyed
Since the Boomers, specifically.
By my age, my grandparents had 5 and 6 kids, respectively, my parents had two.
They had eight and thirteen grandkids respectively, my parents have two.
>Once a society gets to a certain point, you don't need anywhere near as many.
But you do need *some*. Populations naturally adjust to meet the level of resources/need present. In our case, (((somebody))) pushed a ton of "overpopulation" propaganda while we were in the middle of our natural adjustment, causing a full blown collapse, allowing them to make the ludicris claim that we "need immigrants".
While the boomers were a notable trend downward, population graphs going back as far as to the 1800s show a marked decline starting by the early 1900s (from several times replacement rates to just a bit over it, especially in Europe). It wasnt the boomers that started it, they just intensified the trend. This really *started* with the lost generation, or even the unnamed generation before it.
>. In our case, (((somebody))) pushed a ton of "overpopulation" propaganda while we were in the middle of our natural adjustment, causing a full blown collapse, allowing them to make the ludicris claim that we "need immigrants".
Honestly they probably didn't even need to push the overpopulation myth. They could have claimed that we needed immigrants anyways, we were already well below replacement by the time that they started coming. Plus, the countries in *europe* worst affected by the fertility crisis are actually the ones with the people who care about that propaganda the least. Spain, Italy, and Greece have absolutely abysmal birth rates and nobody is refusing to have children because of overpopulation, or even because of birth control/social liberalism, but rather because of economic issues, which are very real in this area (coupled with the fact that they would have fallen anyways). But on the ground if you ask someone here why they don't have kids, almost nobody will give you the answer of overpopulation. They will just say that they can't afford it, which is usually unfortunately true.
I feel like the overpopulation propaganda wasn't really followed much except by a small group of the most liberal people in a given nation. I think that the impetus for this, actually, was a greater focus on the control of energy and pushing "green" policies, because every time overpopulation was mentioned, it would be tied in with something about human impact on the environment or what have you. The white population and fertility rates were never an issue for what they wanted to do, they could've done it anyways. The fact that they're advocating for immigrants, I believe, is an aside, but it serves to point out blatant hypocrisy. They would have advocated for immigrants regardless. Even if they never pursued the overpopulation narrative at all.
Furthermore, I consider that Israel must be destroyed
We also have to remember that there was no “safety net”, and generations of family lived together, took care of each other, and helped each other out as the older folks aged out of the more physical tasks which was actually an extreme luxury. I’ve heard of a couple of stories from frens, and family of people from their tree keeling over while working outside at advanced ages because the work needed to be done.
Women entering the workforce en mass combined with birth control and feminism stagnated the White population.
A K shaped economy and White women being raging whores has led to the decline.