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22 days ago2 points(+0/-0/+2Score on mirror)1 child
"but the accepted premise is that my rights cannot be infringed upon'
cannot? or generally will not as long as you stay in line and do not become annoying to powerful people and organizations?
we can all argue over definitions but in reality rights do not exist for anyone or anything. at best they are a lose social agreement not to immediately engage in universal mass violence and chaos.
If you can't understand the premise that, they are there and for the purposes of this we aren't going to nitpick the million different laws that intersect with these rights, then I'm not sure you understand what you're even responding too.
In reality, there's nothing stopping me from finding you and putting a bullet in your head short of God himself coming down and preventing me from acting if you cannot get anyone else and yourself are not capable of stopping me. But the idea is that a Right is something that cannot be taken from you, regardless of who is in charge, because a Right is something that no one outside of yourself has any control over.
As a person that's pretty apt, at this moment, I can't make you NOT think certain thoughts, that is a Right you have. You have free will, I can put you under duress and threaten you, but truly, I cannot enforce mind control or engage some robot nanomachines to control your limbs. You have those rights regardless of if you are capable of acknowledging them or not.
But as a country, because it's boundaries can be redefined, unlike a person. You are you, it is your body, and where your skin, molecules, atoms, what have you end is the extent of your physical existence. But a nation can be redrawn on maps, no one has to listen to that if I decide that my map personal map is more correct, unless I can personally enforce that on people or enough people agree.
cannot? or generally will not as long as you stay in line and do not become annoying to powerful people and organizations?
we can all argue over definitions but in reality rights do not exist for anyone or anything. at best they are a lose social agreement not to immediately engage in universal mass violence and chaos.
In reality, there's nothing stopping me from finding you and putting a bullet in your head short of God himself coming down and preventing me from acting if you cannot get anyone else and yourself are not capable of stopping me. But the idea is that a Right is something that cannot be taken from you, regardless of who is in charge, because a Right is something that no one outside of yourself has any control over.
As a person that's pretty apt, at this moment, I can't make you NOT think certain thoughts, that is a Right you have. You have free will, I can put you under duress and threaten you, but truly, I cannot enforce mind control or engage some robot nanomachines to control your limbs. You have those rights regardless of if you are capable of acknowledging them or not.
But as a country, because it's boundaries can be redefined, unlike a person. You are you, it is your body, and where your skin, molecules, atoms, what have you end is the extent of your physical existence. But a nation can be redrawn on maps, no one has to listen to that if I decide that my map personal map is more correct, unless I can personally enforce that on people or enough people agree.