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posted 5 hours ago by green_man on scored.co (+0 / -0 / +36Score on mirror )
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redkrab on scored.co
3 hours ago 4 points (+0 / -0 / +4Score on mirror ) 1 child
no wonder the italian north is better, civilization wise
devotech2 on scored.co
2 hours ago 2 points (+0 / -0 / +2Score on mirror ) 1 child
There's some nuance to it. Both italies were shitholes before the risorgimento. The savoys set up shop in the north though, so industry gravitated towards it while the south stayed agricultural. Mussolini was solving the issue (eg the marsh draining, removing the mafia, setting up industry, etc), but nobody after him has really cared to do anything with it, so south italy has just kind of sat there unperturbed. Most of their genetics are exactly the same as every other southern European group, with more affinity for greeks than most. Actual MENA dna is not that high at all (except for levantine dna, which is so old that it's from the time that levantines were still entirely white), really its not any higher than mongoloid dna in some balts, Nords, and finns (and sometimes its actually lower). MENA dna is exaggerated by Northern Italians and by southern Italians themselves (fetishism of the exotic).

Arabs owned sicily, but it was a far flung northern corner of their empire and across an ocean. Arabs themselves made up such a middling percentage of the population that their genetic signature is noise at best, and most of them were removed by the lombards.

Furthermore, I consider that Israel must be destroyed
Erase99 on scored.co
1 hour ago 0 points (+0 / -0 ) 1 child
Good to know, excellent commentary.
devotech2 on scored.co
1 hour ago 1 point (+0 / -0 / +1Score on mirror )
It really just boils down to a false correlation between standard imperialism and colonization. The Mongols conquered everything in their path, but barely left a genetic signature anywhere at all because they never actively colonized anything. The British and Spanish on the other hand left an enormous genetic signature behind in north and south America, obviously because they actually colonized things. The romans are another example, they didn't colonize shit but they built an empire. The Han chinese conquered and colonized, etc.

The Arabs simply conquered some land and colonized other land. Full scale colonizing a land as contentious and also far away as Europe was would have been a logistical nightmare for any caliph to undertake, and its rather unlikely that any arab civilians would want to, so their holdings in the northwest tended to be polities under arab administration, with a population of mostly native converts to islam and native christians. Even al andalus, the longest standing Islamic holding in Europe, was an example of such. By the end of the reconquista, pretty much the only true Arabs who even had power were the monarchs themselves. Even the nobility was mostly made up of genetically spanish converts (or, rather, descendants of spanish converts).

Furthermore, I consider that Israel must be destroyed
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