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This sounds like a total ragebait post. And honestly, I wish it was. I take an hour to fall asleep, because guilt and indecision is on my mind.

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Most of my friends are girls, but by some really bad luck, they moved away, and now I have about two distant girl friends left in this town, and two guy friends. Anyway, I'm Christian, although a bad one, but maybe that's a very catholic thing to say. And by bad, it's because I argue with my sister sometimes or procrastinate. And they know I wait until marriage. Although, I think a part of me wanted to do that less out of religious conviction, but more out of never wanting to belong to anyone ever, and totally mistrusting men. (sorry for the boyphobia, but when my best friend got assaulted i just got so angry at guys, but im not like that anymore)
And both these guys know about each other, and that I only call them friends, but they both would marry me and talk wanting a future. I feel really terrible when guys like me, because then I'm responsible for how someone feels. That's why I only call them friends. I don't want to lead them on, I only wear my big brown sweater and big jeans, I am explicit in friendly intentions.

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But I would like to get married. Because then you can have a family, and also SEX (i unfortunately think of sex a lot and am a ball of hormones, and don't know if that will calm down). Although, I'd rather be alone than disappoint someone, maybe it's what I deserve. I have fun with my own company and my guitar and reading about diseases on wikipedia.
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Anyway, the first guy is perfect on paper. He's incredibly smart, like would learn a language by watching a show, or about a difficult concept by half heartedly watching youtube- he just isn't pretentious about it. We have the exact same sense of humour, and can talk for hours incessantly, and debate, and understand each other entirely. He threw up on me once, so we are close. He is of the same background as me nationality wise, and is tall so I guess my sons wouldn't sneed at me for their future height? Although I am a little tall too. However, I feel nothing for the first guy. Even if I would like to, it is more of a comfortable affection, like for my siblings. Maybe that came from the fact that I saw myself as a mother figure to him, despite being young and the same age. But he, along with the girl who moved away, is the best friend I've ever had, and I mean that very sincerely. He is empathetic, yet doesn't change for others, very intelligent, similar background, and we have a lot of fun.

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The second guy is from a different background but still european. We have a slightly different sense of humour, definitely kind of clever, but not as much as the first guy. He's the same height as me, even though he's a guy, but that's because he's not northern european like me, but southern, but I think brown eyes are really pretty because no one in my immediate family has them, they look gentle and thoughtful. I know he likes me a lot (and that makes me feel very guilty and responsible, even though I never tried to seduce him) and I like him too. When I sit next to him he says he thinks he might throw up, but he says it's in a happy way, and that's why his hands shake too. And my heart beats really fast when he's there, and hurts a little when I have to wait to see him again. And there is a pure affection, like wanting to make sure he eats and sleeps enough, and enjoying silence together. I feel quite cared for in a way I don't know what to do with, when he's there.


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So yeah. The first is my best friend, taller, smarter, hilarious, same background, very good companionship- but I feel no attraction. The second is a great friend, slightly different background, we have fun together, and I am attracted, even if we have less in common.

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I am going to have to pick one, or be alone. And If this 'love' feeling fades, and is unimportant to marriage in general, I'd pick the first- we have way more in common. If the 'love' feeling and mutual chemistry is important, even if it ebbs and fades, I'd pick the second. I really can only imagine kissing and stuff with the second one. Can one even build attraction?
And by the way, I would understand if either moved on from me and met someone. It would be a little saddening, but I would rest easier, because choice is a big burden, and I would not be angry, they both deserve happiness, I'd take the L. I feel almost sick that I have such an effect on two people. And guilty for being conflicted.
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(yes this is a hand wave account but i was here since day 1, i was a kid then and this place honestly raised me in a way. miss rightsidefunding posting, learned a lot)

 
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GoldenInnosStatue on scored.co
13 days ago 13 points (+0 / -0 / +13Score on mirror )
assuming OP isn't a faggot masquarading as a foid

i'm going to say my piece: get yourself a man who is actually racially conscious of the treasure of his blood, and the blood of his children

give your two suiters a test: ask them what they think about migrants/pajeets/niggers/jews and see how they respond

if you are JQ aware, so should they, and if they give NPC responses then none of them are worth your time.
ApexVeritas on scored.co
13 days ago 6 points (+0 / -0 / +6Score on mirror ) 1 child
Approving this in case it isn't some weird bait.


Your best bet is to have your male family members vet the two potential suitors. Female "tingles" wax and wane, so don't trust them. Trust the men closest to you. By a purely rational perspective, going by what you wrote, you should court the friend that's of the same descent and background.


> When I sit next to him he says he thinks he might throw up, but he says it's in a happy way, and that's why his hands shake too.


I'm assuming this guy, and you, are teens? Not common for men to feel that way or openly express it, unless they're naive and younger.
emperorlurk120 on scored.co
13 days ago 1 point (+0 / -0 / +1Score on mirror ) 2 children
It's not weird bait, just an awkward situation to be in.
I don't really have male family members. I mean I don't see my uncle much, but he was the father figure to my siblings when he was there and could be (we don't have a father). So maybe I will wait until I see him?

I know tingles wax and wane, but I can't imagine marrying someone I don't want to kiss. Also, is it just tingles if it makes your heart hurt a bit to wait to see them again? Although, my best friend has committed to marrying someone young, like at 16, and over a couple of years, although she wasn't nuts about him at first, they built a strong trust and love, and now she is attracted to him, and their love is very strong and supportive. I wanted to ask married people especially on this forum, if you can build attraction to someone, and what is important in marriage, and from there, extrapolate and make a decision.

GoldenInnosStatue on scored.co
13 days ago 2 points (+0 / -0 / +2Score on mirror ) 1 child
attraction can be built, so can respect and understanding

honestly you aim for the long term, how would the children look like, who would they take after? what color of their hair? eyes? things like that...

what you should do is simple, imagine the kids and figure out if this is the desired outcome

>my best friend has committed to marrying someone young, like at 16, and over a couple of years, although she wasn't nuts about him at first, they built a strong trust and love, and now she is attracted to him, and their love is very strong and supportive

you literally answered your own question with this

you know what to do, option A is the logical choice.
emperorlurk120 on scored.co
12 days ago 0 points (+0 / -0 ) 1 child
Does it matter how your future children look? I know they could look a bit different from the rest of the my family, what with not having reddish hair or blue eyes (if i had kids with the second guy) but as long as they're european i don't mind.
I think option a is the right choice too. It hurts a little to make this choice though, but such is life.
GoldenInnosStatue on scored.co
12 days ago 2 points (+0 / -0 / +2Score on mirror ) 1 child
i want my children to look like me

its a simple mantra i follow, our ancestors didn't fuck around with foreigners, they stuck to their own and their children did the same

i get that mediterranean men excite you more than your own men but honestly i genuinely believe that even intermixing within other european races (i.e slav with spanish) would result in a loss of identity and culture

and those are your most precious possessions, alongside with your blood.
emperorlurk120 on scored.co
12 days ago 1 point (+0 / -0 / +1Score on mirror )
That's it- I don't look down on other europeans as more valuable than others, but the fracturing of identity could definitely be a loss for my future children. I don't prefer darker white guys, I think pale skin is beautiful, it's really just the person I like. But I don't want my children to feel a loss of identity and culture, and since that's more permanent, identity and culture should definitely be more important.
ApexVeritas on scored.co
11 days ago 0 points (+0 / -0 ) 1 child
> I know tingles wax and wane, but I can't imagine marrying someone I don't want to kiss.


That's exactly what the "tingles" are. It's the feeling of love, not the act or choice of love. Feelings wax and wane. Marriage is a covenant before God, a choice and path we adhere to above all costs. Anyone who's been married for a long time will tell you that the feeling of love comes and goes. Marriages persist because the choice of love remains, and doesn't falter when our feelings betray us.


We can see, very clearly, through the marriage statistics what has happened when we've given women the freedom to divorce their husbands when their tingles go away, through no fault divorce. The divorce rate has sky rocketed, and it's almost entirely due to a woman's number of pre marital sexual partners, and a woman's fleeting feelings, as divorce nowadays is almost entirely initiated by women.


As I advised, do not make this decision based on your feelings. Listen to the advice of close male family members. They're far more likely to guide you correctly.
emperorlurk120 on scored.co
11 days ago 0 points (+0 / -0 )
Thank you for breaking it down like that. It's reassuring to know that 'love' as a feeling isn't constant, but you can choose to work on it every day. I wish I had parental figures to look up to in terms of building marriage, but I don't, so the advice of people here has been very helpful. Sorry to be crude, but I think the world is full of suffering, but the thought that I could lose my virginity and have regular sex one day is genuine life fuel (in the context of loving marriage) so I hope that one can still have good sex in a marriage based on 'love as a choice'. Well idk when but hopefully in a few years I'm not such an animal lol. But it really matters to me, so I hope it's possible to have that even in a marriage based on genuine affection and love as a choice.

DeedsNotWords on scored.co
13 days ago 6 points (+0 / -0 / +6Score on mirror )
Sounds gay, dude.
TakenusernameA on scored.co
12 days ago 3 points (+0 / -0 / +3Score on mirror )
Why are you gay?
Gottmituns_ on scored.co
12 days ago 3 points (+0 / -0 / +3Score on mirror ) 1 child
Assuming this isn't etc.

Obviously the 1st (if "similar background" includes same religion, which is critical). Tell him to start lifting and as soon as he gets a job where he's making real money and in charge of people you will be attracted to him (smart + tall + confident = management almost anywhere). To be clear, you have more than two options; you sound quite young and will meet other men who are interested in you. But if your intention is to marry soon then the first guy you described is husband material. You don't want excitement in marriage, especially not for raising children. You want consistency and compatibly.

I am married and had a similar dilemma before getting engaged, and I am very happy I married someone who I knew was the best fit rather than someone who felt right in the moment.
emperorlurk120 on scored.co
12 days ago 0 points (+0 / -0 ) 1 child
Thank you for your rational perspective, I really value hearing from someone who is already married.
It's not about money for me, the second guy makes less than the first and is from a poor family, and I still feel more attracted to him.
I think 'felt right in the moment' as you said is the important phrase here- because the second guy does very much feel 'right' at this moment in time. But I have endless rapport and mutual understanding with the first guy. We could have fun stuck at a bus station in the rain, and have been there for each other at our worst moments. I never wanted to kiss him, but I would let him throw up on me, trust him to have my back at my worst moments, and genuinely love seeing him happy, I put so much effort into his birthdays and vice versa.

What was your criteria for marrying your wife? Were you able to build attraction eventually? Do you experience resentment for not having attraction- or is that a lie? What's wrong with excitement?
Gottmituns_ on scored.co
11 days ago 2 points (+0 / -0 / +2Score on mirror ) 1 child
My criteria was essentially "will be an excellent wife and mother". That meant, among other things, genetic/cultural/intellectual compatibly, no prior relationships or sexual encounters, and baptized and raised Christian. I'm not sure if you can abstract this and apply it to finding a husband though, at least beyond the idea of thinking long term.

Attraction in the general sense was always there, which is the same type of attraction you described with this person, i.e. enjoying each other's company. What I mean by excitement is arousal. It's a kind of anxiety or passion, which people used to grow out of. If that is the defining feature of a relationship, it will last as long as one of you feels that.

If you'll allow me to philosophize, I think one of the defining problems of our age is the meme of "Disney romance", or "falling in love". It's a bastardization of real love, which is a choice. Love is willing the good of another, not wistful longing or erotic passion. We've turned love from something active to something passive, and allowed "I just don't love him anymore" to be grounds for divorce. Anyways, I hope this response was somehow helpful.
emperorlurk120 on scored.co
11 days ago 1 point (+0 / -0 / +1Score on mirror )
I agree, if you love someone because they make you feel excited and passionate, you just love how they make you feel, not them, and to be infatuated can blind you from the real person you are seeing. For my other girl best friend, she's from a religious community and got with someone that she worked well with and cared for- and then through marriage, the attraction came later on, and she has something amazing and stable and mutually supportive, whilst girls her age are getting used by random guys at uni and getting their hearts broken. And again, I think what helps is saving your virginity for the right person, so you can CHOOSE who you bond with and eventually find attraction to, that's another reason why waiting matters to me, since sex creates a lot of emotional bonds for women (society gaslighted us to be 'cool' with minimum effort and no commitment even though it's bad for us). So maybe if it worked for her, it can work like that for me too.


I think both women and men are guilty of this 'falling out of love' (when they mean lust) phenomenon. I never realised that lust and love had been so conflated with each other.


And by love being a choice, you mean like it's something you work on every day, until it's there by itself? And yes, I think the first guy would be ideal as a father, since he is empathetic but stands his ground, and one of the smartest people I know.


The response was helpful, in the sense of weighing up the permanent vs the temporary. I had the first good sleep in a while last night, because these answers genuinely helped me make my mind up, so thank you very much. I hope you and your wife look after each other and have many loved children :)

PurestEvil on scored.co
13 days ago 3 points (+0 / -0 / +3Score on mirror ) 1 child
Well, it seems option 1 seems better. Over time the sexual tension will change. With the 2nd guy you may want to tingle right now, but after months or years it will no longer be based on your superficial perceptions, but how it actually is. So there is a discrepancy between what you *think right now* how it would be and how *it actually is*. It's likely that that will converge to the same level with both of them anyway, so it would improve with the first and deteriorate with the second. You could say one will be inevitably disappointing, the other will positively surprise you.

But that's just sex, and it's only ONE element in a relationship. 99% of the time there will have a lot of interactions that isn't sex: Talking, shopping, going out, having children, sleeping, etc. So if you build on that 1% of the total time together, and the remaining 99% isn't optimal, your instinctual urges made you choose irrationally. Make sure however that your intellects are on a similar level - otherwise either or both of you will suffer on the long-term.

From what you described, the first one appears to be the ideal man. However it depends on the personality and convictions. As a woman, you are subject to have your views changed by a man over time, so you better get one whose views do not collide with yours. It may happen vice versa too, but if that happens, you'll hate him for being weak subconsciously, especially if it's some liberal-feminist ideology, and especially if the method is controlling him via your pussy. I am not sure about convincing rationally.

If either one is a nigger-loving idiot, he will use all his efforts, interests and cognitive abilities to stand for politics, ideologies and ideologues. It also implies that his level of perception of the world is on a very low level. That would make him extremely gullible and subject to ideologies and fanaticism. Like championing a politician or celebrity.

So be rational about it, and don't get distracted by your feelings of affection and sex. Both of those can and will change. Remember, a LOT of women are quite hedonistic, aiming for these traits, just to get mounted and dumped on a regular basis by the same, small group of men. It is NOT a feasible strategy. On a biological level it's something like a simplification, a means for an overall estimation of a man. But it is subject to deception and misconception. Use the knowledge you accrued, don't let your instincts make decisions for you... at least not all of them.
emperorlurk120 on scored.co
12 days ago 0 points (+0 / -0 ) 1 child
If the lust is temporary, then definitely, yes, option 1 is better- I guess if you value the permanent more than the temporary, it makes way more sense. Although I don't know how one works on the building chemistry part? I am lustful, I don't watch porn or even crank it, or have a sex life, but I have a lot of sexual energy and it's very important to me to have that one day, and it can be a great thing, it can be used to create life, or create in general. And you're right to a degree- I don't change for others, I was defiant since day 1, but I would lose attraction to a guy who changed himself too much for me, you know like idubbz? I think a lot of young guys need to be told that, that women won't respect them if they have no sense of identity and are too agreeable.
>Remember, a LOT of women are quite hedonistic, aiming for these traits, just to get mounted and dumped on a regular basis by the same, small group of men. It is NOT a feasible strategy. On a biological level it's something like a simplification, a means for an overall estimation of a man. But it is subject to deception and misconception
Trvke tbh and I wish men told women this more, it's a great reason to wait until marriage. I have 'turned off' many guys this way and don't regret it, it's a great filter, gets you to the ones who want to have families quicker.

Anyway. They're both based, but the first one would be the best partner for life stuff in general, our rapport is amazing and we have the most in common. So I will just cry for a month or two and get over it :/
PurestEvil on scored.co
11 days ago 1 point (+0 / -0 / +1Score on mirror )
> Although I don't know how one works on the building chemistry part?

Be engaged, and just do it. It's also a matter of practice and habit. Of course there is no "chemistry" with someone who is basically just a friend. He might feel similarly about you. It's something that needs to be built up IF it is meant to last. If it's something sporadic, like what women with body counts of 10+ have, it won't last long.

> but I would lose attraction to a guy who changed himself too much for me

That's something you cannot really force upon a person. A person needs to be like that. That should be a criterion for you to have. I for one do have a strong will, and changing my mind requires me to be convinced rationally. But I've seen guys who are soft and weak, who look like desperate pushovers.

There is also the option of communication, aka talking about things like this. Your expectations, his expectations, phenomena like this. That depends on your ability to communicate, your personality, and of course his. It is a common conception that the lack of communication is the source of most problems. While you may be able to do it anonymously in writing, it's different personally and verbally.

> So I will just cry for a month or two and get over it

Well, just don't do things you'll regret, including not doing them. It's better to try and fail than to not try at all. While it's typical that men pursue women, there are men who do not play that game for whatever reason. If a good woman approaches them, they're good to go along. Otherwise they're also fine to be alone.
Vlad_The_Impaler on scored.co
12 days ago 2 points (+0 / -0 / +2Score on mirror ) 1 child
When courting a husband, ask prospect what his opinion of Vlad the Impaler is. whoever speaks more favorably of me is the more worthy husband.
emperorlurk120 on scored.co
12 days ago 0 points (+0 / -0 )
Thank you for your wisdom Mr Impaler
TestableHypothesis on scored.co
12 days ago 2 points (+0 / -0 / +2Score on mirror )
Imagine you are 50+, your kids (if you have any) are no longer kids and are becoming independent, your social life is on life support, your worries include saving for retirement and your health... Only one person, of the friends you have now, will still be in your life. Do you want it to be one of these guys?
  
You have the opportunity, for a short time, to let one of these potential suitors know that you are willing to make a commitment, i.e. marriage.
contrarianism on scored.co
13 days ago 1 point (+0 / -0 / +1Score on mirror )
go with door number 1
AnotherAlt on scored.co
12 days ago 1 point (+0 / -0 / +1Score on mirror )
Stupid bitch
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